Jews vs. Palestine

[Aegon]

Israel, under its current government, is an ethno-nationalist colonizer that wants to eradicate the Palestinian presence in the region, and they are absolutely in the wrong. I feel as though the media has tricked folks into believing this conflict is so complicated, and that there's no right or wrong but both sides are guilty, or some shit like that. But the power differential between the Israeli state and the Palestinian people is too great to believe something so simplistic. Even if you factor in Hamas, a U.S.-backed Israel with nuclear weapons is clearly the stronger entity here.

Putting a stop to Israel's takeover of Palestinian land via settlements is step one.

[WinterHold]

Thing is, there were jews and jewish gods in isreal before and after a bedouin warlord tried to steal their shtick.  Somewhere around the 8th century bc, isrealites were taken as pows, and by the 6th bc, judahites as well.  It's that latter group that the term jewish comes from (and a disagreement between those factions that forms the basis of old magic book).   Some portion of both of these groups returned but not all of them - and exile wasn't universal in either case.  There were communities that had remained in place in the intervening centuries - and it must have been surprising for them to hear from the returning exiles that they were the rightful rulers of the land and true stewards of gods covenant.

There was no roman exile -at all-..the communities which had begun to spread over the known world a millenia beforehand were still and already doing that of their own accord - and the inability or unwillingness of other cultural and national actors then-to-now, to accept them.. their mere existence, lead to parallel histories for most of those groups.  

What Winter is peddling is just an excuse for removing jews.  It doesn't matter whether or not it's an accurate assessment, and it certainly didn't matter enough to him to get any of it right.   If it weren't, and he realized it - he would simply refer to some other reason to have the jews removed.  In reality, and respecting human rights..not isreali or palaestinian or jewish or muslim rights...there's no future in this that doesn't amount to both groups genuinely recognizing each other and coming to some arrangements either between them or within themselves as a larger whole - and none of the vagaries of a history in the 8th century bc or even the more recent events of ww2 have or can have anything to say about that now.  Isreal and the isrealis aren't going to be going anywhere.  You'd think that palestinians and pro palestinian™ types might understand that........  You might even think that their neighbors would understand that - but, ofc, they had to be told in the most certain and dramatic way imaginable - and even after that, they're still dreaming about booting them rather than dealing with the reality of their existence.  Third verse same as the first, just louder..nastier, and dumber.

So, your solution is "ethnic cleansing" just like your ancestors did to Native Americans; right?
I mean if there were no Jews, no war will ever take place in that land.
And if there were no Muslims, no war will ever take place in that land.

Sad thing; that such mentality is still thriving around.

Zionist Jews are invaders; they weren't living in this land nor they were born in that land !
What sick mentality justifies the kicking of the natives (who were born in the land) and replace them by another race? isn't that called "Forced displacement"; and if killing was involved it is called "Ethnic Cleansing"?

This is Ethnic Cleansing by invaders who came from the outside. Deal with it; Palestinians will keep fighting terrorism.

#IsraelTerrorist
#PalestinianLivesMatter

[Fake Messiah]

I mean if there were no Jews, no war will ever take place in that land.
And if there were no Muslims, no war will ever take place in that land.

Yeah, religion is number one cause of wars.

Zionist Jews are invaders; they weren't living in this land nor they were born in that land !
What sick mentality justifies the kicking of the natives (who were born in the land) and replace them by another race? isn't that called "Forced displacement"; and if killing was involved it is called "Ethnic Cleansing"?

Cut the crap

[CarveTheFive]

Palestine is a Muslim, Arab land. It was Jewish in the Iron age until Rome ravaged it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_J...em_(70_CE)





This led to the famous "Jewish Diaspora". The return of Jews to Palestine and establishment of a Jewish state there is "a Zionist" doctrine, the Zionists are a Jewish cult that was supported by Britain in WW1 to weaken the Ottoman empire.

Even though Orthodox Judaism is against "Zionism" totally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Ha...nd_Zionism

the extreme cult (Zionists) is still getting support from the west and many other countries, they commit terrible massacres in the native Muslims & Christians, and cornered them in a small strip called "Gaza".

The cause of the Palestinians is a fair, just cause, they are fighting a cult of extreme religious maniacs who couldn't get over a defeat by the Romans before 2000 years.

I’m not sure how you can claim that Palestine is ‘a Muslim, Arab land’, since there were Jews on it before Islam even existed.

That said, I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is abominable and a human rights violation.

Boru

I’m glad the Jews have a homeland. And double fuck Hamas. Hamas is nasty.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thing is, there were jews and jewish gods in isreal before and after a bedouin warlord tried to steal their shtick.  Somewhere around the 8th century bc, isrealites were taken as pows, and by the 6th bc, judahites as well.  It's that latter group that the term jewish comes from (and a disagreement between those factions that forms the basis of old magic book).   Some portion of both of these groups returned but not all of them - and exile wasn't universal in either case.  There were communities that had remained in place in the intervening centuries - and it must have been surprising for them to hear from the returning exiles that they were the rightful rulers of the land and true stewards of gods covenant.

There was no roman exile -at all-..the communities which had begun to spread over the known world a millenia beforehand were still and already doing that of their own accord - and the inability or unwillingness of other cultural and national actors then-to-now, to accept them.. their mere existence, lead to parallel histories for most of those groups.  

What Winter is peddling is just an excuse for removing jews.  It doesn't matter whether or not it's an accurate assessment, and it certainly didn't matter enough to him to get any of it right.   If it weren't, and he realized it - he would simply refer to some other reason to have the jews removed.  In reality, and respecting human rights..not isreali or palaestinian or jewish or muslim rights...there's no future in this that doesn't amount to both groups genuinely recognizing each other and coming to some arrangements either between them or within themselves as a larger whole - and none of the vagaries of a history in the 8th century bc or even the more recent events of ww2 have or can have anything to say about that now.  Isreal and the isrealis aren't going to be going anywhere.  You'd think that palestinians and pro palestinian™ types might understand that........  You might even think that their neighbors would understand that - but, ofc, they had to be told in the most certain and dramatic way imaginable - and even after that, they're still dreaming about booting them rather than dealing with the reality of their existence.  Third verse same as the first, just louder..nastier, and dumber.

So, your solution is "ethnic cleansing" just like your ancestors did to Native Americans; right?
I mean if there were no Jews, no war will ever take place in that land.
And if there were no Muslims, no war will ever take place in that land.

Sad thing; that such mentality is still thriving around.

Zionist Jews are invaders; they weren't living in this land nor they were born in that land !
What sick mentality justifies the kicking of the natives (who were born in the land) and replace them by another race? isn't that called "Forced displacement"; and if killing was involved it is called "Ethnic Cleansing"?

This is Ethnic Cleansing by invaders who came from the outside. Deal with it; Palestinians will keep fighting terrorism.

#IsraelTerrorist
#PalestinianLivesMatter

-case in point

[Foxaèr]

Why Sam Harris doesn't criticize Israel:

[WinterHold]

Why Sam Harris doesn't criticize Israel:

So, he admits that the scripture of the Jews is the most sickening, though he believes that a "Jewish person" doesn't take these texts seriously?

Then why are these people "Jews"; why do they accept such a sick text to even exist in their doctrine and faith? why don't they change religion, become full atheists?

This man is bullshitting himself and his listeners..

 
This reminds me with the insane bully in school, who steals your lunch then eat it in front you then shag your mom then say: "I was kidding I was kidding !!".

Sick..

[arewethereyet]

Being Jewish doesn't necessarily mean you follow the teachings of Judaism.

[The Grand Nudger]

One member of a death cult questions another death cultists motivations and actions? It seems to me that you should be able to understand why a given religious person refuses to change or abandon their sick religion. Aside from that, being jewish and being an isreali aren't the same thing, and isreal isn't a religion.

You either do or don't understand why displacing a population is a nasty affair. There's a gaping whole in the rationalizations of people who advocate for the removal of The Jew as a foreign invader. They are not foreign invaders now, if they ever were. Is your complaint that displacement is wrong...or merely that the wrong group of people have been displaced? If it's the latter, we may as well drop any other pretense.

[Brian37]

Thing is, there were jews and jewish gods in isreal before and after a bedouin warlord tried to steal their shtick.  Somewhere around the 8th century bc, isrealites were taken as pows, and by the 6th bc, judahites as well.  It's that latter group that the term jewish comes from (and a disagreement between those factions that forms the basis of old magic book).   Some portion of both of these groups returned but not all of them - and exile wasn't universal in either case.  There were communities that had remained in place in the intervening centuries - and it must have been surprising for them to hear from the returning exiles that they were the rightful rulers of the land and true stewards of gods covenant.

There was no roman exile -at all-..the communities which had begun to spread over the known world a millenia beforehand were still and already doing that of their own accord - and the inability or unwillingness of other cultural and national actors then-to-now, to accept them.. their mere existence, lead to parallel histories for most of those groups.  

What Winter is peddling is just an excuse for removing jews.  It doesn't matter whether or not it's an accurate assessment, and it certainly didn't matter enough to him to get any of it right.   If it weren't, and he realized it - he would simply refer to some other reason to have the jews removed.  In reality, and respecting human rights..not isreali or palaestinian or jewish or muslim rights...there's no future in this that doesn't amount to both groups genuinely recognizing each other and coming to some arrangements either between them or within themselves as a larger whole - and none of the vagaries of a history in the 8th century bc or even the more recent events of ww2 have or can have anything to say about that now.  Isreal and the isrealis aren't going to be going anywhere.  You'd think that palestinians and pro palestinian™ types might understand that........  You might even think that their neighbors would understand that - but, ofc, they had to be told in the most certain and dramatic way imaginable - and even after that, they're still dreaming about booting them rather than dealing with the reality of their existence.  Third verse same as the first, just louder..nastier, and dumber.

So, your solution is "ethnic cleansing" just like your ancestors did to Native Americans; right?
I mean if there were no Jews, no war will ever take place in that land.
And if there were no Muslims, no war will ever take place in that land.

Sad thing; that such mentality is still thriving around.

Zionist Jews are invaders; they weren't living in this land nor they were born in that land !
What sick mentality justifies the kicking of the natives (who were born in the land) and replace them by another race? isn't that called "Forced displacement"; and if killing was involved it is called "Ethnic Cleansing"?

This is Ethnic Cleansing by invaders who came from the outside. Deal with it; Palestinians will keep fighting terrorism.

#IsraelTerrorist
#PalestinianLivesMatter

Hate to burst your bubble Atlass, but polytheists occupied that same land Jews and Muslims fight over, long before either religion existed.

If I could force the entire populations of BOTH Israel and Palestine to take DNA tests, both would find out they are far more related than either side wants to admit.

All humans are ultimately related regardless. Our species started out in Africa long before organized cities or written languages of any kind.

I hate Bibi, but that does not make Hamas good by default.