Jews vs. Palestine

[Nay_Sayer]

The world exists beyond your backyard fence believe it or not.

[Brian37]

This is why I am torn on this subject. I fucking hate Bibi, but I also don't like that Palestine is backed up by their own religious right. Bibi is the Jewish right wing, and Hammas is the Palistine right wing. And in the middle are the sane in the world that wish the both of them would just fucking stop it and see their fellow humans as just that.

The religious zealots on both sides will never let peace happen.


That being said, Hamas has more to gain from ongoing violence.  They maintain themselves as a political force, that could be lost if peace broke out.

Yea, but that still does not justify right wing Jews creeping in on land which they have done for 50 pluss years.

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Palestine is a Muslim, Arab land. It was Jewish in the Iron age until Rome ravaged it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_J...em_(70_CE)

The siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 CE was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War, in which the Roman army captured the city of Jerusalem and destroyed both the city and its Temple.

This led to the famous "Jewish Diaspora". The return of Jews to Palestine and establishment of a Jewish state there is "a Zionist" doctrine, the Zionists are a Jewish cult that was supported by Britain in WW1 to weaken the Ottoman empire.

Even though Orthodox Judaism is against "Zionism" totally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Ha...nd_Zionism

the extreme cult (Zionists) is still getting support from the west and many other countries, they commit terrible massacres in the native Muslims & Christians, and cornered them in a small strip called "Gaza".

The cause of the Palestinians is a fair, just cause, they are fighting a cult of extreme religious maniacs who couldn't get over a defeat by the Romans before 2000 years.

Um no Atlass, the earth is far older than human superstition, and if you think your religion owns the earth, just ask the dinosaurs how it worked out for them. I am no fan of BIBI, and Palestinians currently have a lagit gripe, but their backers are not exactly western pluralists.

[WinterHold]

Palestine is a Muslim, Arab land. It was Jewish in the Iron age until Rome ravaged it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_J...em_(70_CE)





This led to the famous "Jewish Diaspora". The return of Jews to Palestine and establishment of a Jewish state there is "a Zionist" doctrine, the Zionists are a Jewish cult that was supported by Britain in WW1 to weaken the Ottoman empire.

Even though Orthodox Judaism is against "Zionism" totally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Ha...nd_Zionism

the extreme cult (Zionists) is still getting support from the west and many other countries, they commit terrible massacres in the native Muslims & Christians, and cornered them in a small strip called "Gaza".

The cause of the Palestinians is a fair, just cause, they are fighting a cult of extreme religious maniacs who couldn't get over a defeat by the Romans before 2000 years.

I’m not sure how you can claim that Palestine is ‘a Muslim, Arab land’, since there were Jews on it before Islam even existed.

That said, I think the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is abominable and a human rights violation.

Boru

Ironic, since you live in New Zealand which the British Empire took forcefully from its natives.

Jews were defeated thousands of years ago, they have no right in this land because other people are living on it now. Just like the citizens of New Zealand, America, Australia too.

The Israeli treatment of Palestinians is not a "human right violation" only; it's ethnic cleansing and an attempt to change a de-facto situation: the land is not theirs anymore, these Jews should stay in their real home (i.e western countries). Why do we Muslims have to pay for Hitler's madness ?

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Palestine is a Muslim, Arab land. It was Jewish in the Iron age until Rome ravaged it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_J...em_(70_CE)





This led to the famous "Jewish Diaspora". The return of Jews to Palestine and establishment of a Jewish state there is "a Zionist" doctrine, the Zionists are a Jewish cult that was supported by Britain in WW1 to weaken the Ottoman empire.

Even though Orthodox Judaism is against "Zionism" totally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Ha...nd_Zionism

the extreme cult (Zionists) is still getting support from the west and many other countries, they commit terrible massacres in the native Muslims & Christians, and cornered them in a small strip called "Gaza".

The cause of the Palestinians is a fair, just cause, they are fighting a cult of extreme religious maniacs who couldn't get over a defeat by the Romans before 2000 years.

Um no Atlass, the earth is far older than human superstition, and if you think your religion owns the earth, just ask the dinosaurs how it worked out for them. I am no fan of BIBI, and Palestinians currently have a lagit gripe, but their backers are not exactly western pluralists.

That Bibi is a corrupt mad fuck, even many Israelies are against him ! the populous freak even tried to cause a civil war in America him, MBS, Putin and Trump.

Nevertheless, his nation got defeated and ravaged in the Iron age, so it's game over for their doctrine: Orthodox Jews made their peace with that fact but Zionists didn't.

That land is not theirs anymore. 2000 years had passed, that land has my brothers, sisters and my blood, Zionists came after 2000 years to invade and pillage that land! this is an invasion force, supported and aided by the masters of proxies and sabotage: The British Empire.

They have no right in that place. Why don't they return to Europe? and fight the neo-Nazies instead;it's better for them.

[The Grand Nudger]

One bad plate of shrimp away from a tragedy at any point, aren't you.

[WinterHold]

[Foxaèr]

I'm siding with the Jews.

[WinterHold]

I'm siding with the Jews.

Which Jews ? Orthodox Jews who believe the Diaspora is still valid, or the Zionist Jews who cut a deal with the British Empire to take the "Jewish ghettos" out of Europe to Palestine?

That's like "standing with ISIS" instead of "normal Muslims".

[Brian37]

Palestine is a Muslim, Arab land. It was Jewish in the Iron age until Rome ravaged it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_J...em_(70_CE)

The siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 CE was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War, in which the Roman army captured the city of Jerusalem and destroyed both the city and its Temple.

This led to the famous "Jewish Diaspora". The return of Jews to Palestine and establishment of a Jewish state there is "a Zionist" doctrine, the Zionists are a Jewish cult that was supported by Britain in WW1 to weaken the Ottoman empire.

Even though Orthodox Judaism is against "Zionism" totally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Ha...nd_Zionism

the extreme cult (Zionists) is still getting support from the west and many other countries, they commit terrible massacres in the native Muslims & Christians, and cornered them in a small strip called "Gaza".

The cause of the Palestinians is a fair, just cause, they are fighting a cult of extreme religious maniacs who couldn't get over a defeat by the Romans before 2000 years.

Pro tip, there were no Muslims or Jews or Christians or Hindus or Mayans or Egyptian gods 200,000 years ago, or 4 billion years ago. There were no Buddhists or Hindus 13.8 billion years ago. 

Get a clue.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thing is, there were jews and jewish gods in isreal before and after a bedouin warlord tried to steal their shtick. Somewhere around the 8th century bc, isrealites were taken as pows, and by the 6th bc, judahites as well. It's that latter group that the term jewish comes from (and a disagreement between those factions that forms the basis of old magic book). Some portion of both of these groups returned but not all of them - and exile wasn't universal in either case. There were communities that had remained in place in the intervening centuries - and it must have been surprising for them to hear from the returning exiles that they were the rightful rulers of the land and true stewards of gods covenant.

There was no roman exile -at all-..the communities which had begun to spread over the known world a millenia beforehand were still and already doing that of their own accord - and the inability or unwillingness of other cultural and national actors then-to-now, to accept them.. their mere existence, lead to parallel histories for most of those groups.

What Winter is peddling is just an excuse for removing jews. It doesn't matter whether or not it's an accurate assessment, and it certainly didn't matter enough to him to get any of it right. If it weren't, and he realized it - he would simply refer to some other reason to have the jews removed. In reality, and respecting human rights..not isreali or palaestinian or jewish or muslim rights...there's no future in this that doesn't amount to both groups genuinely recognizing each other and coming to some arrangements either between them or within themselves as a larger whole - and none of the vagaries of a history in the 8th century bc or even the more recent events of ww2 have or can have anything to say about that now. Isreal and the isrealis aren't going to be going anywhere. You'd think that palestinians and pro palestinian™ types might understand that........ You might even think that their neighbors would understand that - but, ofc, they had to be told in the most certain and dramatic way imaginable - and even after that, they're still dreaming about booting them rather than dealing with the reality of their existence. Third verse same as the first, just louder..nastier, and dumber.

[Fake Messiah]

Jews were defeated thousands of years ago, they have no right in this land because other people are living on it now.

And then they won the land for themselves, so stop whining. It's like when you gloated about Hagia Sophia being Muslim although Christians built it, well that's how it is with Jewish land in Palestine.