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Noteworthy News
RE: Noteworthy News
(February 12, 2024 at 12:01 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(February 11, 2024 at 11:32 pm)Fireball Wrote: Belacqua, you hate the US so bad, you ought to smuggle a nuke into the country in your shorts. Rolleyes

I'm the only one here who is opposed to bombs.

Not when it comes to bombing Ukraine.
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When the most recent attacks on Gaza began, I asked historian William Dalrymple for a reading list of books to help me understand. He is extremely knowledgable and I've always found him to be balanced and objective in his views.

Of the four books he recommended, the one I found most helpful, detailed, and balanced is Enemies and Neighbors by Ian Black. This starts with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and describes in great detail the steps by which the modern state of Israel was created and expanded.

On both the Israeli and Palestinian sides, there are people who want peace and people who don't. Whenever one group is on the verge of compromise that might stop hostilities, a violent extremist group will take some action which makes the agreement impossible. In recent years Hamas has played that role on the Palestinian side, using violence to upset any hope of peace. On the Israeli side that role has been played by violent settler groups and far right-wing politicians. Unfortunately Netanyahu is among the most far-right people ever to hold high office in Israel, he has always demanded total possession of the land from the river to the sea, and he is shameless about using violence.

A few US officials have made good-faith efforts at peace. Carter and Clinton, in particular. Their efforts do not appear sincere, however, while the US is also funding and arming one side far more than the other. One side has tanks and bulldozers and the other has terrorism -- that's how the balance works. There have been so many violent attacks on both sides that whatever one side does is interpreted, by that side, as retaliation for an earlier attack by the other side.

The right wing has never hidden the fact that they want total possession as the only end of the conflict. Netanyahu, for whatever reason, has chosen the present time to advance a long way toward that goal.
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(February 12, 2024 at 2:40 am)Belacqua Wrote: When the most recent attacks on Gaza began, I asked historian William Dalrymple for a reading list of books to help me understand. He is extremely knowledgable and I've always found him to be balanced and objective in his views.

Of the four books he recommended, the one I found most helpful, detailed, and balanced is Enemies and Neighbors by Ian Black. This starts with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and describes in great detail the steps by which the modern state of Israel was created and expanded.

On both the Israeli and Palestinian sides, there are people who want peace and people who don't. Whenever one group is on the verge of compromise that might stop hostilities, a violent extremist group will take some action which makes the agreement impossible. In recent years Hamas has played that role on the Palestinian side, using violence to upset any hope of peace. On the Israeli side that role has been played by violent settler groups and far right-wing politicians. Unfortunately Netanyahu is among the most far-right people ever to hold high office in Israel, he has always demanded total possession of the land from the river to the sea, and he is shameless about using violence.

A few US officials have made good-faith efforts at peace. Carter and Clinton, in particular. Their efforts do not appear sincere, however, while the US is also funding and arming one side far more than the other. One side has tanks and bulldozers and the other has terrorism -- that's how the balance works. There have been so many violent attacks on both sides that whatever one side does is interpreted, by that side, as retaliation for an earlier attack by the other side.

The right wing has never hidden the fact that they want total possession as the only end of the conflict. Netanyahu, for whatever reason, has chosen the present time to advance a long way toward that goal.

And so what? I assume your not going over to fight for the right for a Palestine state. I assume you vote for politicians that what... support a two state solution? When this, as knowledgeable as you are, isn't an option.

There is no peace. To quote a game that has become a genre, there is only war. Your not gonna get a pair of Rambos to sit down and "hash it out". To paint it in a "Well they are the sweeter side." Is to try and paint a giant sparkly purple dildo flesh tone... we all know what it is and don't want it up our ass.
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(February 12, 2024 at 3:22 am)Goosebump Wrote: And so what? I assume your not going over to fight for the right for a Palestine state. I assume you vote for politicians that what... support a two state solution? When this, as knowledgeable as you are, isn't an option.

There is no peace. To quote a game that has become a genre, there is only war. Your not gonna get a pair of Rambos to sit down and "hash it out". To paint it in a "Well they are the sweeter side." Is to try and paint a giant sparkly purple dildo flesh tone... we all know what it is and don't want it up our ass.

I agree that a two-state solution doesn't look possible. It looks as though Netanyahu agrees that no peaceful solution is possible and the only way forward is to ethnically cleanse the land.
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(February 12, 2024 at 3:39 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(February 12, 2024 at 3:22 am)Goosebump Wrote: And so what? I assume your not going over to fight for the right for a Palestine state. I assume you vote for politicians that what... support a two state solution? When this, as knowledgeable as you are, isn't an option.

There is no peace. To quote a game that has become a genre, there is only war. Your not gonna get a pair of Rambos to sit down and "hash it out". To paint it in a "Well they are the sweeter side." Is to try and paint a giant sparkly purple dildo flesh tone... we all know what it is and don't want it up our ass.

I agree that a two-state solution doesn't look possible. It looks as though Netanyahu agrees that no peaceful solution is possible and the only way forward is to ethnically cleanse the land.

Your right, war to the death. You and that Net guy are correct in saying the same thing that your saying together.
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(February 12, 2024 at 3:51 am)Goosebump Wrote:
(February 12, 2024 at 3:39 am)Belacqua Wrote: I agree that a two-state solution doesn't look possible. It looks as though Netanyahu agrees that no peaceful solution is possible and the only way forward is to ethnically cleanse the land.

Your right, war to the death. You and that Net guy are correct in saying the same thing that your saying together.

Yeah, but he's in favor of violent ethnic cleansing while I'm against it. 

Genocide is bad.
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(February 12, 2024 at 4:48 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(February 12, 2024 at 3:51 am)Goosebump Wrote: Your right, war to the death. You and that Net guy are correct in saying the same thing that your saying together.

Yeah, but he's in favor of violent ethnic cleansing while I'm against it. 

Genocide is bad.

But you said it was the only choice, good or bad doesn't matter you said he wouldn't change, you won't change. War. death, you agree. fight it out. Your both right, fight. But it's neither of you fighting is it?
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No, this is not Trumps 2025 inauguration, its more than 100.000 protesters in Munich, protesting against rising fascism

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I’m not sure if I’ve got this right, but I think the news is reporting that Taylor Swift’s boyfriend played football at an Usher concert.

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(February 12, 2024 at 11:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’m not sure if I’ve got this right, but I think the news is reporting that Taylor Swift’s boyfriend played football at an Usher concert.

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