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What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
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RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 14, 2021 at 10:03 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:
(June 14, 2021 at 9:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I learned that there are hypocritical anti vaxxers, whom don't know the history of mandated vaccines, which we have had forever.

Kids for example, forever, have had to get vaccines to attend public schools forever.

Actually vaccines have been required in some public schools in the US for a little over 200 years.  Not quite forever, not even close to forever.  But thanks for playing.

Actually, I sincerely have to thank you. I just looked up the history of vaccines. I honestly did not know it went as far back as 1796. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_v...ox%20virus.


But what is amazing comparing back then and now, is how did the medical community back then figure out how to inoculate people back then without the knowledge of DNA? I can only guess the primitive concept was to inject a small amount of the virus to create antibodies to fight it? It is the same tolerance motif with other things. Small doses of anything and your body builds up a tolerance or immunity. I simply didn't know how far back the history of vaccines went.
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#22
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 15, 2021 at 8:34 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 14, 2021 at 10:03 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Actually vaccines have been required in some public schools in the US for a little over 200 years.  Not quite forever, not even close to forever.  But thanks for playing.

Actually, I sincerely have to thank you. I just looked up the history of vaccines. I honestly did not know it went as far back as 1796. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_v...ox%20virus.


But what is amazing comparing back then and now, is how did the medical community back then figure out how to inoculate people back then without the knowledge of DNA? I can only guess the primitive concept was to inject a small amount of the virus to create antibodies to fight it? It is the same tolerance motif with other things. Small doses of anything and your body builds up a tolerance or immunity. I simply didn't know how far back the history of vaccines went.

Actually, inoculation goes much further back than 1796, to the 10th century, IIRC.

As to how Jenner worked it out, it was largely by observation and inference. There’s a disease similar to, but much milder than smallpox, called ‘cowpox’. Jenner noticed that while many milkmaids got cowpox, none of them who had had it got smallpox. He hypothesized that having had cowpox conferred immunity against smallpox. He deliberately infected a boy with cowpox. When the child recovered, he deliberately infected the same boy with smallpox. He didn’t get sick.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#23
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 14, 2021 at 8:59 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Zooma zooma. Zoom.

Nearly forgot about Zoom, et al.  I've gotten a lot of screen time over the past year - online clarinet lessons, chatting to relatives in Atlantic Canada, biweekly writer's group, astronomy meetings, and stuff at work too.  I've learned how to navigate Zoom, Discord, Skype and Microsoft Teams.
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#24
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
I learned that when stuck at home doing repairs you can never have enough power tools or attachments.
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RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 15, 2021 at 11:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 15, 2021 at 8:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Actually, I sincerely have to thank you. I just looked up the history of vaccines. I honestly did not know it went as far back as 1796. 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_v...ox%20virus.


But what is amazing comparing back then and now, is how did the medical community back then figure out how to inoculate people back then without the knowledge of DNA? I can only guess the primitive concept was to inject a small amount of the virus to create antibodies to fight it? It is the same tolerance motif with other things. Small doses of anything and your body builds up a tolerance or immunity. I simply didn't know how far back the history of vaccines went.

Actually, inoculation goes much further back than 1796, to the 10th century, IIRC.

As to how Jenner worked it out, it was largely by observation and inference. There’s a disease similar to, but much milder than smallpox, called ‘cowpox’. Jenner noticed that while many milkmaids got cowpox, none of them who had had it got smallpox. He hypothesized that having had cowpox conferred immunity against smallpox. He deliberately infected a boy with cowpox. When the child recovered, he deliberately infected the same boy with smallpox. He didn’t get sick.

Boru

Certainly observation has been the linchpin of the building blocks of the history that lead up to modern science. But modern science didn't exist at the time of Plato or Socrates, or the ancient Egyptians, despite their master building techniques of their respective periods. 10th century wouldn't be that much different. 

"Trial and error" has always existed for sure, be it medicine or engineering. But that does not mean those in the past were accurate in any modern sense. One can tinker and repeat and still not know why what they did was working.

Today's vaccines are literally based on DNA/RNA sequencing and not just injecting the virus like poison to build up immunity. It is like the difference between Franklin making a kite, and Boeing coming up with the next jumbo passenger jet.
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#26
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 15, 2021 at 1:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 15, 2021 at 11:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, inoculation goes much further back than 1796, to the 10th century, IIRC.

As to how Jenner worked it out, it was largely by observation and inference. There’s a disease similar to, but much milder than smallpox, called ‘cowpox’. Jenner noticed that while many milkmaids got cowpox, none of them who had had it got smallpox. He hypothesized that having had cowpox conferred immunity against smallpox. He deliberately infected a boy with cowpox. When the child recovered, he deliberately infected the same boy with smallpox. He didn’t get sick.

Boru

Certainly observation has been the linchpin of the building blocks of the history that lead up to modern science. But modern science didn't exist at the time of Plato or Socrates, or the ancient Egyptians, despite their master building techniques of their respective periods. 10th century wouldn't be that much different. 

"Trial and error" has always existed for sure, be it medicine or engineering. But that does not mean those in the past were accurate in any modern sense. One can tinker and repeat and still not know why what they did was working.

Today's vaccines are literally based on DNA/RNA sequencing and not just injecting the virus like poison to build up immunity. It is like the difference between Franklin making a kite, and Boeing coming up with the next jumbo passenger jet.

Certainly, the way we make vaccines now is much safer and more effective. But you wondered how vaccination could have happened without the knowledge of DNA. So I explained it.

But Jenner didn’t use trial and error. He used the scientific method.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#28
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
(June 15, 2021 at 11:39 am)brewer Wrote: I learned that when stuck at home doing repairs you can never have enough power tools or attachments.

I noticed carrying a wrecking bar in one hand and a stack of 7' window trim under the other arm helped people keep distance.  Now, I go grab an axe first thing when I enter the store.
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#29
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
I've always been isolated so the world mostly remained the same. Before this, I wasn’t a motivated person and I’ve always felt like a failure and I was because I wasn’t trying anymore.
I don't know why and I'm not exactly sure what triggered it but whatever it was it was definitely because of the pandemic. I started being way more motivated and less likely to allow myself to become a failure. I think even though I was okay throughout the pandemic and my family was okay something about life being short and the possibility of dying went from already being strong to being extremely strong and very self-aware.
it might have been that?, I've not done anything significant yet but I'm starting to try and I haven't tried for a very long time. That is important to me because I am finally getting somewhere. I'm allowing myself to keep going before that I would have lost all motivation at one single insult or degrading comment. Now, not only am I continuing to feel motivated but I'm not allowing insults to distract me from getting what I want to get done and stopping me from progressing in my life.
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#30
RE: What did you learn to do because of the pandemic?
That introverts are better than extroverts. We introverts had to deal with a lifetime of being forced to socialize due to work/school and etc. But now that it's reverse, extroverts can't even handel a few years of being like us and yet still we're stero typed as being unhealthy, losers and possible psycho maniacs. "But humans are social beings" fuck off with that nonesense.
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