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The 500 & Common Sense.
#11
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 1:09 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: so? I followed a very similar path.. not witnessing the resurrection, but was unconvinced about anything christian till i experienced it first hand. to which i point out again this experience is offered to anyone who like paul seek God out on his terms.

I have taken two too many psychology classes to believe in "personal experience," or what William Lane Craig calls that "software inner voice."  Fantasy prone personality disorder is a spectrum, and as two-thirds of schizophrenics are never diagnosed, how do you know that you are not deluding yourself?? 
well that's not true at all is it? or do you not have enough self awareness to see your whole OP is based on thomas pain's 'personal experience' of paul. he even says: "2) Most importantly, and never considered by yours truly; assuming, for the moment, that the story of "the 500" was true, such "evidence" was, at the time, not sufficient to convert Paul to Christianity." This assumption is based on what pain thought of paul's psyche base on the writings he had experienced.

So again don't say you do not accept personal experience as a teacher as you blindly take the word of a man who built a phycological profile on writings not privy to the average church goer. meaning material not been vetted by the church. all because it tickles your ears and makes paul of the bible more agreeable to a picture of him you think you can use in later argument.

you simply to refuse personal testimony when it suits you to do so. you will not hear my first hand account because it does not support your preconceived notions about god.

but that is not what i was sharing...

I said proof of God via whatever method you need if offered to you, if you seek him out on his terms.

so you need not believe my first hand account when one is offered to you specifically.

if you met up with God, would you believe that? Because that is what is offered.
Quote: Besides, many Muslims and thousands of other different religions will cite "personal experience" as evidence of their beliefs.  Why should I believe you and not them?
that's the thing sport. if you studied the religion, they can't claim personal experience with God, unless they claim to be an equal of mo-ham-Ed. as their version of God only speaks through prophets. in fact no other religion, not even roman Catholicism, offers one on one time with God.
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#12
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
Sounds like something you should to take up with your buddies in christ. You start above by talking about having witnessed something first hand, and making offers of meeting up with god.....and by the end deny that there's any such thing in any other religion.

Jerkoff

Honestly, it sounds like a door to door pitch for a vacuum.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#13
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 1:33 pm)Drich Wrote: that's the thing sport. if you studied the religion, they can't claim personal experience with God, unless they claim to be an equal of mo-ham-Ed. as their version of God only speaks through prophets. in fact no other religion, not even roman Catholicism, offers one on one time with God.

I would like to hear more about your one-on-one time with God.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#14
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 1:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 1:33 pm)Drich Wrote: that's the thing sport. if you studied the religion, they can't claim personal experience with God, unless they claim to be an equal of mo-ham-Ed. as their version of God only speaks through prophets. in fact no other religion, not even roman Catholicism, offers one on one time with God.

I would like to hear more about your one-on-one time with God.

it's called prayer. once you learn to properly pray, you will find God answers all prayer. but again first you have to understand what prayer is.
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#15
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 1:43 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I would like to hear more about your one-on-one time with God.

it's called prayer. once you learn to properly pray, you will find God answers all prayer. but again first you have to understand what prayer is.

How about amputees? Why doesn't God answer their prayers?
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#16
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
It's more important to drich that the unfaithful are made to jump through an imaginary hoop than to help the suffering.

All spite no heart, sad.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#17
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 2:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: How about amputees?  Why doesn't God answer their prayers?

Some things are too hard.  For instance, God can't defeat an army using chariots made with iron.  He also can't put a darn fence around a fruit tree.
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#18
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 2:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 2:35 pm)Drich Wrote: it's called prayer. once you learn to properly pray, you will find God answers all prayer. but again first you have to understand what prayer is.

How about amputees?  Why doesn't God answer their prayers?

He does. what makes you assume he doesn't? oh, that's right you don't know what prayer is.. by the nature of your question you think prayer is a wishing ceremony.. sorry no. asking god for stuff is identified as supplication... prayer is something different entirely. Prayer is asking God to make you fit his will, while supplication is getting god to fit your own... Would it not make sense for God to help you when you ask him to make you fit his plan for your life rather than try and barging with god to follow your plan?

example if God wants you to love him first more than anything else with your current scale and understanding, so he can then expand your understanding and heart to be able to love 1000xs better and in a more mature sense. So you then can inturn give love on a level enough to then properly sustain the needs of a spouse and family for the rest of your life...

-but-

Your plan your petition is to get nancy sue love you as you understand it now, but god knows this would stunt your emotional growth making a shallow pos the rest of your life..

what petition or prayer do you think he will answer positively?

(a prayer modeled off the lord's prayer)
dear lord, i trust in your time your will so not only let it be done in my life but help me find the patience and open my eyes so i can see what and why things are happening...
( a self serving petition) 
verse dear gawd please make nacy sue love me. i'll never ask you for anything else again. i promise 3rd base only, or second if i throw this nickel into the air 5 times and it comes up heads each time.

what makes people think they can bargain with God and call it prayer?

(June 23, 2021 at 2:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's more important to drich that the unfaithful are made to jump through an imaginary hoop than to help the suffering.

All spite no heart, sad.
 if life was indeed a form of SIM theory like were are all just apart of a holodeck/matrix recreation of reality (A brain in a vat being fed electrical inputs to make it think it is part of a broader world, or a body tied into a matrix of sorts, or simple AI's who have to die in this world to wake up in reality.. (which is kinda what the bible describes creation is/God to be)

If this is the case then what does it matter if our avatars exposed to in game suffering? ever play a video game? ever trivially kill a sprite/guy just to see what would happen? meaning if we are plugged into the matrix or if we are brains in vats or more biblically correct spiritual beings coexisting in a physical body what does it matter if the avatar is exposed to the dangers of the game so long as the gamer/spirit can not be hurt?

why would God devote a huge amount of energy preserving and protecting what amounts to a digital form designed to live but a few brief moments and then die?

God is concerned about the long Game the Spiritual being (the player in the real world/not mario on the screen) and it's place in the rest of eternity/real world not this sim. meaning if it means mario has to die by having the power turned off early or the game level become so increasing difficult, that the gamer gives up on the game/sim so that in real life he gets up and goes outside to play.. then it is not good that mario (in game had a hard/difficult life?)


So why should god care about, what you as a sim cares about, to the degree you care about it, if his goal is to get you take your turn to play the game and then move on to the rest of your life???

 when in a few moments you will wake up from this simulation and nothing that mattered to you in the sim will matter in the real/heaven world.

(June 23, 2021 at 3:04 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 2:38 pm)Jehanne Wrote: How about amputees?  Why doesn't God answer their prayers?

Some things are too hard.  For instance, God can't defeat an army using chariots made with iron.  He also can't put a darn fence around a fruit tree.

what if God wanted the israelites to loose? what if he said hold back, and they pushed on without him?
Or what if God wanted man/eve to have a clear choice to make... to remain in his will or to elect to stand outside of it?

because without choice love can not exist. what if all of this sin sacrifice life death suffering all of it was to teach us not only what love is but how to give and share it
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#19
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
(June 23, 2021 at 3:25 pm)Drich Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 2:47 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's more important to drich that the unfaithful are made to jump through an imaginary hoop than to help the suffering.

All spite no heart, sad.
 if life was indeed a form of SIM theory like were are all just apart of a holodeck/matrix recreation of reality (A brain in a vat being fed electrical inputs to make it think it is part of a broader world, or a body tied into a matrix of sorts, or simple AI's who have to die in this world to wake up in reality.. (which is kinda what the bible describes creation is/God to be)

If this is the case then what does it matter if our avatars exposed to in game suffering? ever play a video game? ever trivially kill a sprite/guy just to see what would happen? meaning if we are plugged into the matrix or if we are brains in vats or more biblically correct spiritual beings coexisting in a physical body what does it matter if the avatar is exposed to the dangers of the game so long as the gamer/spirit can not be hurt?

why would God devote a huge amount of energy preserving and protecting what amounts to a digital form designed to live but a few brief moments and then die?

God is concerned about the long Game the Spiritual being (the player in the real world/not mario on the screen) and it's place in the rest of eternity/real world not this sim. meaning if it means mario has to die by having the power turned off early or the game level become so increasing difficult, that the gamer gives up on the game/sim so that in real life he gets up and goes outside to play.. then it is not good that mario (in game had a hard/difficult life?)


So why should god care about, what you as a sim cares about, to the degree you care about it, if his goal is to get you take your turn to play the game and then move on to the rest of your life???

 when in a few moments you will wake up from this simulation and nothing that mattered to you in the sim will matter in the real/heaven world.
You might have more trouble selling those one on one tickets if you describe a god no one wants anything to do with. What I see is a man who values his own life and his own connections in it very little, and considers the value of others even less. It's not surprising to me that you float the kind of god that you do.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#20
RE: The 500 & Common Sense.
And Jesus answered them, “Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and thrown into the sea,' it will happen.” (Matthew 21:21)

“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.” (Mark 11:24)

“If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:14)

“And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.” (Matthew 21:22)

> The faith of a child is pure. I recall praying to God in earnest many times in my youth, but God seemed deaf to my entreaties. When I asked my teachers for answers, like Drich, all they did was make excuses. They had an extensive repertoire of excuses:

"You didn't pray hard enough."
"Your faith was insufficient."
"You're misinterpreting the Bible passages."
"You were being too selfish."
"God is testing you."
"God has a divine plan, and in His divine wisdom He isn't going to change His plan just for you."
"God suffered for you. Maybe it's your turn to suffer for Him."
"Not all prayers are answered right away. You're too young to understand these things."
"In the grand scheme of things, perhaps your prayers are not important enough to require God's attention. Trust in His wisdom."

Never would they admit that, maybe God didn't give a shit, or maybe there was never any God listening to those prayers to begin with.  Dodgy
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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