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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 8:53 pm
(July 2, 2021 at 8:49 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: (July 2, 2021 at 8:31 pm)brewer Wrote: To vague to draw any specific conclusions from.
It's not vague. The saying mentions the truffle's water AND the eye. Too risky to say that for a prophet who purportedly faked his prophecy.
If people were putting truffle water in their eyes 1400 years ago, it wasn’t risky at all for a prophet to say it.
But this doesn’t really qualify as a prophecy. If you’ve quoted correctly, the verse doesn’t make a prediction. It’s saying what happens, not what WILL happen.
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 8:53 pm
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(July 2, 2021 at 8:49 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Sure, it's easy.
Someone pours truffle juice in their eye, either intentionally or by accident, and finds their eye infection clears up. No need for knowledge about microorganisms.
As far as I know, there is no mention of this practice before Muhammad's time. Also, it's hard to imagine someone specifically choosing truffles, then squeezing water out of them to treat their eye just by accident.
(July 2, 2021 at 8:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If people were putting truffle water in their eyes 1400 years ago, it wasn’t risky at all for a prophet to say it.
Well, people weren't doing this before the prophet mentioned it, there is no report of that. I am of course open to rectify that if someone thinks they found something.
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 9:13 pm
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 9:22 pm
A better thread; The Pastafarian prophet's foreknowledge of the Taglierini health benefits
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 10:14 pm
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(July 2, 2021 at 8:51 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: This remedy is not known as the literature on it is lacking until recent times. Plus, the prophet is clearly taking an unnecessary risk by mentioning that. This saying is better explained if he were a prophet than if he weren't.
Your statement appears to be incorrect.: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/620451/
Your/their claim does not validate a prophet or religion.
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 10:31 pm
The Ancient world was well aware of the medical benefits of mushrooms and truffles
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 10:58 pm
(July 2, 2021 at 10:14 pm)brewer Wrote: Your statement appears to be incorrect.: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/620451/
Your/their claim does not validate a prophet or religion.
From your own link :
the same truffles have been also reported to be used in folk medicine in sub-Saharan Africa and Middle East to treat skin and eye diseases, for example, Trichoma [16, 28].
16:
- G. Hussain and I. M. Al-Ruqaie, “Occurrence, chemical composition and nutritional value of truffles: an overview,” Pakistan Journal of Biological Sciences, vol. 2, no. 2, pp. 510–514, 1999.
28:
- M. A. Al-Marzooky, “Truffles in eye disease,” in Proceedings of the International Islamic Medicine, pp. 353–357, Kuwait, 1981.
As you can see, both the articles are clearly written by Muslim authors. I don't need to look further to guess that the folk medicine they're referring to existed after the Islamic prophet.
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 11:11 pm
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(July 2, 2021 at 7:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) saying, "Truffle (edible fungus) is a species of Al-Manna and their water cures eye diseases."
Hilarious post hoc translation given that the term "species" wasn't coined until a millenium after this was written. I don't suppose that it mentions that the desert truffle isn't actually a truffle at all?
(July 2, 2021 at 10:58 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: (July 2, 2021 at 10:14 pm)brewer Wrote: Your statement appears to be incorrect.: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/620451/
Your/their claim does not validate a prophet or religion.
From your own link :
the same truffles have been also reported to be used in folk medicine in sub-Saharan Africa and Middle East to treat skin and eye diseases, for example, Trichoma [16, 28].
16:
- G. Hussain and I. M. Al-Ruqaie, “Occurrence, chemical composition and nutritional value of truffles: an overview,” Pakistan Journal of Biological Sciences, vol. 2, no. 2, pp. 510–514, 1999.
28:
- M. A. Al-Marzooky, “Truffles in eye disease,” in Proceedings of the International Islamic Medicine, pp. 353–357, Kuwait, 1981.
As you can see, both the articles are clearly written by Muslim authors. I don't need to look further to guess that the folk medicine they're referring to existed after the Islamic prophet.
What he's tying to tell you is that the folk medicine existed before your prophet's scribblings. Your prophet didn't write down anything that hadn't already been know for centuries.
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 2, 2021 at 11:31 pm
(July 2, 2021 at 11:11 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Hilarious post hoc translation given that the term "species" wasn't coined until a millenium after this was written. I don't suppose that it mentions that the desert truffle isn't actually a truffle at all?
OFC translations are post-hoc. Modern English itself started 7 centuries after the prophet. Adding the word species explains the original saying in Arabic, but doesn't alter its meaning in any way.
The original saying simply says, "Truffle is from Al-Manna and its water is a cure for the eye". The term "disease" would be too an addition to clarfy the meaning.
(July 2, 2021 at 11:11 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: What he's tying to tell you is that the folk medicine existed before your prophet's scribblings. Your prophet didn't write down anything that hadn't already been know for centuries.
He has no source to prove that, the articles above backng up this affirmation are written by Muslim authors, clearly the folk medicine they allude to is post-Islam medicine;
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RE: The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits
July 3, 2021 at 1:28 am
(July 2, 2021 at 8:18 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Microorganisms were discovered for the first time in the 17th century, almost one thousand years after Muhammad's death, and almost 800 years after Al-Bukhari compiled his famous hadith collection. There is no way anyone back then could have investigated some antimicrobial effect of truffles.
People didn't need to know about the existence of microbes. The use of plants for medicinal purposes goes back thousands of years, long before the hadiths. They didn't need to know how it worked, only that it did work, and that knowledge would get passed down to a new generation of herbalists. The lack of a scientific explanation doesn't stop a remedy from working.
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