The Islamic prophet's foreknowledge of the Terfeziaceae's health benefits

[no one]

But, but, but,.......... magic book, say truths!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Hilarious post hoc translation given that the term "species" wasn't coined until a millenium after this was written. I don't suppose that it mentions that the desert truffle isn't actually a truffle at all?

OFC translations are post-hoc. Modern English itself started 7 centuries after the prophet. Adding the word species explains the original saying in Arabic, but doesn't alter its meaning in any way.

The original saying simply says, "Truffle is from Al-Manna and its water is a cure for the eye". The term "disease" would be too an addition to clarfy the meaning. 

What he's tying to tell you is that the folk medicine existed before your prophet's scribblings. Your prophet didn't write down anything that hadn't already been know for centuries.

He has no source to prove that, the articles above backng up this affirmation are written by Muslim authors, clearly the folk medicine they allude to is post-Islam medicine;

Not exactly. From the article:

From early stages of civilization, desert macrofungi in forms of mushrooms and truffles have been used as food and medicine. Originally, these types of organisms were associated with Mediterranean region and were first recorded as poem in Egyptian temples as follows: “Without leaves, without buds, without flowers: yet they from fruit; as a food, as a tonic, as a medicine: the entire creation is precious.” 

'From the early stages of civilization' is pretty unambiguous, not to mention 'Egyptian temples'.

Boru

[brewer]

Your statement appears to be incorrect.: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/620451/

Your/their claim does not validate a prophet or religion.

From your own link :

the same truffles have been also reported to be used in folk medicine in sub-Saharan Africa and Middle East to treat skin and eye diseases, for example, Trichoma [16, 28].

16: 

1. G. Hussain and I. M. Al-Ruqaie, “Occurrence, chemical composition and nutritional value of truffles: an overview,” Pakistan Journal of Biological Sciences, vol. 2, no. 2, pp. 510–514, 1999.
   

28:

1. M. A. Al-Marzooky, “Truffles in eye disease,” in Proceedings of the International Islamic Medicine, pp. 353–357, Kuwait, 1981.
   

As you can see, both the articles are clearly written by Muslim authors. I don't need to look further to guess that the folk medicine they're referring to existed after the Islamic prophet.

Don't cherry pick, read the whole article. It was in the culture prior to mo's birth.

If you continue to use this you're only proving him a fake. But then we already knew that he always was.

[R00tKiT]

From early stages of civilization, desert macrofungi in forms of mushrooms and truffles have been used as food and medicine. Originally, these types of organisms were associated with Mediterranean region and were first recorded as poem in Egyptian temples as follows: “Without leaves, without buds, without flowers: yet they from fruit; as a food, as a tonic, as a medicine: the entire creation is precious.” b

'From the early stages of civilization' is pretty unambiguous, not to mention 'Egyptian temples'.

Boru

This is vague too. There is no mention of truffles' water or any other detail about the medicinal use of truffles. The hadith is simply more precise than the poem above.

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Don't cherry pick, read the whole article. It was in the culture prior to mo's birth.

If you continue to use this you're only proving him a fake. But then we already knew that he always was.

Even if you manage to find a report of using truffles' water in medicine -which you didn't- this only proves Muhammad said something that is known and true. This hardly proves he's not a prophet.

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People didn't need to know about the existence of microbes.  The use of plants for medicinal purposes goes back thousands of years, long before the hadiths.  They didn't need to know how it worked, only that it did work, and that knowledge would get passed down to a new generation of herbalists.  The lack of a scientific explanation doesn't stop a remedy from working.

Still, there is no report of using truffles' water for medicinal purposes before Muhammad. If such a knowledge was common before him, there would be accounts of it.

[The Grand Nudger]

You mean, nothing about this bit of folklore can prove big mo was a fortune teller or that he wasn’t?

That sounds about right.

[brewer]

Don't cherry pick, read the whole article. It was in the culture prior to mo's birth.

If you continue to use this you're only proving him a fake. But then we already knew that he always was.

Even if you manage to find a report of using truffles' water in medicine -which you didn't- this only proves Muhammad said something that is known and true. This hardly proves he's not a prophet.

Maybe you should read your thread title and op again. You appear to claiming divine "prophet foreknowledge" using the hadith. He may have known this, but so did many other people(s). This does not specifically support that he was a divine prophet any more than any other person with the same knowledge.

Smacks of desperation.

[R00tKiT]

Maybe you should read your thread title and op again. You appear to claiming divine "prophet foreknowledge" using the hadith. He may have known this, but so did many other people(s). This does not specifically support that he was a divine prophet any more than any other person with the same knowledge.

Smacks of desperation.

You didn't prove that other people knew truffles' water cures eye disease before the Islamic prophet. I was just responding to your bit about Muhammad being a fake prophet.

[brewer]

Maybe you should read your thread title and op again. You appear to claiming divine "prophet foreknowledge" using the hadith. He may have known this, but so did many other people(s). This does not specifically support that he was a divine prophet any more than any other person with the same knowledge.

Smacks of desperation.

You didn't prove that other people knew truffles' water cures eye disease before the Islamic prophet. I was just responding to your bit about Muhammad being a fake prophet.

Read the article again.

From early stages of civilization, desert macrofungi in forms of mushrooms and truffles have been used as food and medicine. Originally, these types of organisms were associated with Mediterranean region and were first recorded as poem in Egyptian temples as follows: “Without leaves, without buds, without flowers: yet they from fruit; as a food, as a tonic, as a medicine: the entire creation is precious.” Thus, macrofungi were considered as food and medicine for royalty, and that no normal citizens were allowed to consume this precious food. During Greek and Roman eras, they were imported from Libya and sold in southern part of the European continent [1]. In the southern part of African continent, the nomadic people of Kalahari Desert used truffles for millennia [2].......

.........Traditionally, desert truffles have been used as folk medicine in the Arabian countries over two millennia without any known complications.

Do you understand what 'recorded in Egyptian temples' and ' two millennia' means? It means 'before the Islamic prophet'.

If this is your prophet 'proof' then your guy is no prophet.

[Astreja]

Still, there is no report of using truffles' water for medicinal purposes before Muhammad. If such a knowledge was common before him, there would be accounts of it.

Not necessarily. It could have been common knowledge in the past (and not written down because it didn't need to be written down), it could have been transmitted via oral tradition from one healer to another, or it could have been written in a document that no longer exists (e.g. not written on a durable medium such as clay, stone or brass, or lost in the fire at the Great Library of Alexandria.) I don't think anything supernatural is going on here; I think that any knowledge that Muhammad may have had of the truffles' healing properties was acquired from other people.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Ah.... much like the vaunted 'Honey does wonders' or some such about the bee that is supposedly unique to the Koran and yet older texts exist which mention such wonders first?

I'm still rather sad the knowledge of gunpowder didn't make it across the continent from Asia to Rome in time for said industrial Empire to benefit.

Or that "Hero's engine" was pretty much just used as a 'Novelty gimmic' by the ancient preists and not further disseminated/developed etc.

Ah well.