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What are the reasons you don't believe this theory?
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RE: What are the reasons you don't believe this theory?
(March 14, 2011 at 9:04 pm)jason56 Wrote: You've invented 12 Gods and asked us not to scientifically question it. (They're fact)
Well, you know that I've invented them, because I've already told you that. So don't use what I've said about it to contradict it.

As about "not to scientifically question it", I've said that it accords with science because there are already beliefs/religions that we call absurd and were 'invented' with modern science in mind. While all old religions claim that their scriptures accord with science (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism - I think Hinduism as well).

Quote:How does this compare to reality?
I don't quite understand the question. Perhaps you can be more specific.

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#22
RE: What are the reasons you don't believe this theory?
ok, it seems that no one has given a reply so far.

So I'm going to say the reasons I believe people would not believe my theory (I might forget some, so it is possible to add others later).

I suppose it's not quite what you expected:

1. The "gods" are old-fashioned. In modern times, most people would see the "gods" as something foolish/ridiculous, and so, they would not believe it. On the other hand, a story with "aliens" (the modern term for gods) might gain popularity. Anyway, more fashionable is the theory of atheism or "we are the gods" or "we can be gods" (e.g. that theory that says that if you really believe that something would happen, a secret law of the universe called "the law of attraction" would make it happen). So people are much more likely to believe something that is currently a fashion than something that is old-fashion, no matter what the theory says.

2. Nobody believes it so far. That is, it doesn't have many adepts, it isn't popular. If 90% of the world population had believed this already, anyone else would have been tempted to believe it, because "EVERYBODY BELIEVES IT!!", so the general conception is: if so many believe it, it must be true! So, though now my theory is "absurd", if 90% of the world population had believed it, it would have not been seen as absurd anymore!

3. As it's given in the premise, it must accord with the modern science, no matter what the modern science says. And if after 400 years the sciences would transform a lot, this 'religion' with 12 gods would be "scientifically" no more, and it needs to adapt itself to the new modern science, if it doesn't want to lose its adepts!

4. In order to gather and keep adepts, the theory must teach that the adepts are superior to everyone else (by their nature, because they are in this group, because they believe X, because they are 'evolved', etc. and told quite often that they are superior). That's found all around: christians, muslims, other religions, nazi, atheism, etc. So, unless I make my own party/group feel superior to the other groups, I can't gather too many adepts.

5. I can't get many adepts, unless I tell people what they want to believe, and allow them to do what they want to do.

6. My theory doesn't have publicity: TV news about it, spread out as advertising, people of different religions and beliefs saying their opinion on TV about it - if that had happened, people would have believe that my theory is worth thinking about!

7. I don't believe my own theory! That is, the preacher of it ( I ) must be insane enough to believe his own invented theory. No one can believe my theory if I do not STRONGLY believe it! So this is yet another reason you did not believe my theory.

8. My 'religion' does not help its subjects anyhow (to have a job arranged, give help in certain matters, etc.), so no one thinks it's worth joining my party.

9. People's 'idols' do not agree with me. If their adored renounced preachers/priests/atheist philosophers had shown to the public that they believe my theory, a lot of the adorers would come to believe my theory too. But, as it is now, they stick to their own idols, whom they obviously favor more than they favor me.

10. It hasn't any relation to the past (e.g. If I said that this same religion was worshiped in antiquity, people might find it more interesting) nor to modern science-fiction fantasies (which people would be happy if they actually "existed").

11. My theory doesn't have 'evidences' to convert other people and maintain its subjects (e.g. as Orthodox and Catholic people have the appearances of 'Virgin Mary', muslims have miracles in the Qur'an, other supernatural things that happen as 'evidences', etc.). Though, perhaps, in time, this could be developed.

Anyway, just a note: the real "evidences" or "arguments" are some of the last things people actually care about.

Perhaps you would tell me some opinions about my "reasons"...
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#23
RE: What are the reasons you don't believe this theory?
Your reasons all seem irrelevant. The reason to believe is based upon benefit. If there is no benefit: why believe?

You only cited punishment for not believing... and a faith which promises benefits will trump that every time.

Aside from some gross misrepresentations of what religion is about, your new religion is without substance. That's why it fails.
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RE: What are the reasons you don't believe this theory?
(March 19, 2011 at 11:51 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Your reasons all seem irrelevant. The reason to believe is based upon benefit. If there is no benefit: why believe?

I explained already: All religions have supposed 'benefits', and I've explained that even mine has.

Quote:You only cited punishment for not believing... and a faith which promises benefits will trump that every time.

Actually, I've removed that from my theory. Just read my posts.

Quote:Aside from some gross misrepresentations of what religion is about, your new religion is without substance.

First off, "religion" is not "religions". I have thought about things that are common in religions, not necessarily every person to fit.
Second off, my topic was not "religion", but a theory/beliefs in general.

For instance, even atheism (or, many atheists) can fit in this description:
1. Atheism is fashion in many places. That's why it's rather believed.
2. There are many atheists already, and this popularity matters.
3. It accords to modern science, no matter how much science would change.
4. Superiority (or, the teaching that the adepts are special) is also taught and believed. I've even heard an atheist saying proudly that men are superior to apes!
5. Atheism allows you to do anything you want, and believe anything you want (except theism, obviously)
6. It has publicity, it has people talking about it and people debating it.
7. Atheists strongly believe their theory.
8. A benefit that's shouted: "freedom!"
9. Atheist have their idols. I've even seen some kind of debate on the internet, where people tried to prove God's existence by finding out what Einstein really believed (a kind of, if Einstein said "God exists", it means that God exists. Otherwise, if Einstein said "God does not exist!" it means that God does not exist - in this case, Einstein is an idol).
10. Atheism existed even in antiquity and is supported by the modern science-fiction fantasies (in most, if not all SF movies, etc. atheism is implicit)
11. Atheism has the theory of evolution as an "evidence", though the theory of evolution has nothing to do with God's existence.

Perhaps point 11 was not very well made, anyway.

Quote:That's why it fails.
Don't worry, I'm not trying to create a new religion with these 12 gods.
Anyway, the point of my topic was why it fails. I was not interested in convincing anybody of this theory.

Anyway, I think I have to thank you for replying. I suppose you're the last one that was interested in replying to this thread (for some reason, I don't expect anyone else to continue to post here).
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