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Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
#71
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 9:57 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(August 19, 2021 at 9:13 am)Spongebob Wrote: Food gurus have been with us for a long time.  Back in the 80's they seemed to be tapping into some kind of secret knowledge.  Then there were more of them and more still.  At some point it became pretty obvious that these people were creating magic foods as a marketing scam and real scientists couldn't begin to keep up with all of their claims because it takes time to do real science.  To create a superfood all you have to do is find an obscure vegetable, cultivate it and market it as magic.  People are so gullible they will pay anything for it.

Back in the late 90's I had a co-worker who was sold on some kind of mineral oil that was extracted in the south Pacific.  All the islanders there supposedly ate a teaspoon of this stuff every day and lived to be 120.  I think a years supply of this stuff was like $1000.  Years later I read an expose about this same product.  Turns out it was coconut oil.

Sure. Have you seen the nonsense that "The Food Babe" shovels out. She is supposed to be a food guru yet couldn't find her butt with both hands. Or how about Adams, the health ranger. Follow all his nutty advice and you will come down with an advanced case of dead.

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#72
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 4:12 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 3:20 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, I have heard some scientists claiming that, and I haven't heard any claiming otherwise. Therefore, I conclude that is the scientific consensus.
How hard have you looked for those claiming otherwise? Confirmation bias is a bitch. But frankly, i didn't expect anything different from someone who also things that something is "more unlikely" because he suffers from a lack of imagination.

Took me ca. 1min with Google Scholar to find a paper that concludes that "A long-term vegetarian diet, however, seemed to be associated with a lower diversity of T-cell repertoire "

I have not heard of that. Could it be that vegetarians tend to care about hygiene more and thus have been infected with fewer types of germs in their lifetime? This should not impact one's ability to deal with novel viruses, such as COVID-19, as even a previous infection with another coronavirus that attacks humans offers no additional immunity from COVID-19, much less does infection by some other virus.
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#73
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 12:36 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(August 19, 2021 at 4:12 am)Deesse23 Wrote: How hard have you looked for those claiming otherwise? Confirmation bias is a bitch. But frankly, i didn't expect anything different from someone who also things that something is "more unlikely" because he suffers from a lack of imagination.

Took me ca. 1min with Google Scholar to find a paper that concludes that "A long-term vegetarian diet, however, seemed to be associated with a lower diversity of T-cell repertoire "

I have not heard of that. Could it be that vegetarians tend to care about hygiene more and thus have been infected with fewer types of germs in their lifetime? This should not impact one's ability to deal with novel viruses, such as COVID-19, as even a previous infection with another coronavirus that attacks humans offers no additional immunity from COVID-19, much less does infection by some other virus.

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#74
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 12:36 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(August 19, 2021 at 4:12 am)Deesse23 Wrote: How hard have you looked for those claiming otherwise? Confirmation bias is a bitch. But frankly, i didn't expect anything different from someone who also things that something is "more unlikely" because he suffers from a lack of imagination.

Took me ca. 1min with Google Scholar to find a paper that concludes that "A long-term vegetarian diet, however, seemed to be associated with a lower diversity of T-cell repertoire "

I have not heard of that. Could it be that vegetarians tend to care about hygiene more and thus have been infected with fewer types of germs in their lifetime? This should not impact one's ability to deal with novel viruses, such as COVID-19, as even a previous infection with another coronavirus that attacks humans offers no additional immunity from COVID-19, much less does infection by some other virus.
Please read carefully:
Quote:A long-term vegetarian diet, however, seemed to be associated with a lower diversity of T-cell repertoire
Was hygiene mentioned? Or was a diet mentioned?
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#75
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Spongebob Wrote: I happen to know for a fact that this is a much studied subject and the results are inconclusive at best.
You realize the same is true for masks, if not even more so, right?
(August 19, 2021 at 12:57 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 19, 2021 at 12:36 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: I have not heard of that. Could it be that vegetarians tend to care about hygiene more and thus have been infected with fewer types of germs in their lifetime? This should not impact one's ability to deal with novel viruses, such as COVID-19, as even a previous infection with another coronavirus that attacks humans offers no additional immunity from COVID-19, much less does infection by some other virus.
Please read carefully:
Quote:A long-term vegetarian diet, however, seemed to be associated with a lower diversity of T-cell repertoire
Was hygiene mentioned? Or was a diet mentioned?
Hygiene is an obvious other factor here.
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#76
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
It would be hard to imagine how my vegetarian friends managed to catch fewer germs in their lives, particularly with all the growing up drinking from the same cups playing in the same pools shaking the same hands and just generally breathing the same air, though, I suppose it could happen.

I've never known vegetarians to be a particularly hygenic bunch in any traditional sense, but that's probably down to the few vegetarians I know being back to the land types. Convinced that detergents, disinfectants, deoderants, and even showering itself..are ruining the planet.
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#77
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
What the…
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#78
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 1:54 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Spongebob Wrote: I happen to know for a fact that this is a much studied subject and the results are inconclusive at best.

You realize the same is true for masks, if not even more so, right?

I'm not sure what your point is here.  If it's to point at the mask mandate and say look, there's inconclusive evidence that they work, then consider this.  What does a mask cost?  How much ACTUAL inconvenience is wearing a mask?  The answer to both of those is pretty low, which means even if mask wearing reduces community spread by a relatively small amount, it's a reasonable thing to do.

Look, I work in industry.  I wear a hard had to work when I'm in a production facility.  99% of the time I'm no where near anything that could actually fall on me or knock me in the head, but I'm required to wear it for that tiny fraction of time where something might actually knock me in the head.  I see people mowing the side of the highway wearing them, where nothing can hit them on the head.  It cost $10 and feels like a hat on my head.  This is pretty much an exact comparison to masks except that masks are intended to help everyone, not just the wearer.  So why not wear a mask?

And btw, moving the goal post is another logical fallacy.
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#79
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 1:54 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(August 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Spongebob Wrote: I happen to know for a fact that this is a much studied subject and the results are inconclusive at best.
You realize the same is true for masks, if not even more so, right?
(August 19, 2021 at 12:57 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Please read carefully:
Was hygiene mentioned? Or was a diet mentioned?
Hygiene is an obvious other factor here.

Not according to the paper you have not read.
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#80
RE: Does trying to live healthy make sense considering an imminent bird flu outbreak?
(August 19, 2021 at 2:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It would be hard to imagine how my vegetarian friends managed to catch fewer germs in their lives, particularly with all the growing up drinking from the same cups playing in the same pools shaking the same hands and just generally breathing the same air, though, I suppose it could happen.

I've never known vegetarians to be a particularly hygenic bunch in any traditional sense, but that's probably down to the few vegetarians I know being back to the land types.  Convinced that detergents, disinfectants, deoderants, and even showering itself..are ruining the planet.

And what exactly do you think could cause weaker immune system in vegetarians? Lysine deficiency? Seems rather implausible. It is obvious what could cause stronger, if nothing else, then lower rates of Vitamin C deficiency.

(August 19, 2021 at 2:46 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(August 19, 2021 at 1:54 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: You realize the same is true for masks, if not even more so, right?
Hygiene is an obvious other factor here.

Not according to the paper you have not read.

Can you link to it?
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