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New theistic chew toys wanted!
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 5:01 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 5:00 pm)Helios Wrote: I reject the notion of so-called transcendent values Dodgy
You're rejecting the whole concept of subjectivity then. So everything is objective?
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 5:03 pm
Transcendent values are simply those values that do not depend on a given state of the world. You can reject them without rejecting the notion of subjectivity.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 5:15 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2021 at 5:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Our civil religions, for example (which is what the abrahamic myth was..fwiw).
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 5:32 pm
The quality of new theists lately has been pretty dismal.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 5:59 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2021 at 6:01 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:You're rejecting the whole concept of subjectivity then. So everything is objective?
Nope Smile
Quote:Transcendent values are simply those values that do not depend on a given state of the world. You can reject them without rejecting the notion of subjectivity.
Yes, you can. Because the subject does depend on states of the world.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 6:33 pm (This post was last modified: August 27, 2021 at 6:36 pm by Angrboda.)
(August 27, 2021 at 4:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A comprehensible explanation, t like the one that exists for the allfairies?  

I'm not trying to argue that the god botherers don't get something out of their religion, or that what they get out of their religion of god is wrong.  Or, that objective morality is right, for that matter.  That there are or aren't transcendent values.  I'm wondering what they get that other people haven't gotten from other sources?  What did you have in mind when you mentioned it?

No, besides gods, Buddhists and Hindus and objective morality, what other examples of transcendant values are you referring to that aren't a part of one of these religions.


(August 27, 2021 at 4:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(August 27, 2021 at 4:51 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Could you give an example?  The only other transcendant values I'm aware of is objective morals, which don't have a comprehensible explanation.
Objective morality is not transcendent in the slightest. It is a product of human nature and human doings.

That's not that to which objective morals refers. What you are referring to is contingent. Objective morals refers to abstract right and wrong that just is a feature of the universe.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 6:42 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 6:33 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(August 27, 2021 at 4:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A comprehensible explanation, t like the one that exists for the allfairies?  

I'm not trying to argue that the god botherers don't get something out of their religion, or that what they get out of their religion of god is wrong.  Or, that objective morality is right, for that matter.  That there are or aren't transcendent values.  I'm wondering what they get that other people haven't gotten from other sources?  What did you have in mind when you mentioned it?

No, besides gods, Buddhists and Hindus and objective morality, what other examples of transcendant values are you referring to that aren't a part of one of these religions.


(August 27, 2021 at 4:59 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Objective morality is not transcendent in the slightest. It is a product of human nature and human doings.

That's not that to which objective morals refers.  What you are referring to is contingent.  Objective morals refers to abstract right and wrong that just is a feature of the universe.
I can see you like playing Devil's Advocate. Education would be an example of a godless, yet transcendent, value.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 6:44 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 6:42 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Education would be an example of a godless, yet transcendent, value.

Uh, no. Education isn't a value without people to value it.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 6:51 pm
(August 27, 2021 at 6:44 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(August 27, 2021 at 6:42 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Education would be an example of a godless, yet transcendent, value.

Uh, no.  Education isn't a value without people to value it.
I suppose animals teaching their young doesn't count as education.
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RE: New theistic chew toys wanted!
August 27, 2021 at 7:15 pm
(August 25, 2021 at 12:31 am)Foxaire Wrote: Apply here.

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