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Why "Jihad" martyrdom is important in Islamic faith?
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RE: Why "Jihad" martyrdom is important in Islamic faith?
(September 1, 2021 at 11:03 pm)masoni Wrote: Islamic god -- Allah made a promises to those who is ready to suffer and die for him, he will reward with “Women”, Wine” in garden of paradise.

False. According to Islamic eschatology, all male inhabitants of heaven are rewarded by getting married to two houris. Nothing specific to martyrs here.

(September 1, 2021 at 11:03 pm)masoni Wrote: The orthodox Muslims are the true Islamic followers, who observe and follow the path of their Prophet Muhammad i

All Muslims observe and follow the path of their prophet, your use of the adjective "orthodox" is stupidly redundant. There is no way to tell whether someone is a "true islamic follower" anyway, even if they apparently die for their religion.
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RE: Why "Jihad" martyrdom is important in Islamic faith?
What if I want a breakfast stout, a crisp ale or two in the afternoon, then a porter with supper?  Fuck wine.  And I prefer skinny girls that aren't exactly buxom but delightful nonetheless.  No, sorry, I have a better paradise right here and didn't have to die to get it.  Didn't even have to murder much.
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RE: Why "Jihad" martyrdom is important in Islamic faith?
(January 6, 2022 at 8:57 am)Nomad Wrote:
(January 5, 2022 at 11:26 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Isn’t every war a jihad for them?

I would say that when it comes to the jewish flavor of religions, they don’t embrace the live and let live philosophy. You have to be like them, specially when you live in the same city as them.
It is mostly in the 20 th century, that liberalism took over the western world and it slowly trickled to the muslim countries as well.

Also, when it comes to the jewish flavor of religions, they tend to fuse politics and religion together.

It’s only natural that they offer bonuses in the afterlife if you do what you are told.
In other words, do this job for us and we’ll pay you this much.

The problem here is that the abrahamic faiths are monotheistic.  They cannot acknowledge that any other religions have any validity.  It's one of the areas where polytheism has a big advantage.

Yes, that concept leads them to violence.

Also, the idea of having good god vs evil god (Devil, Satan), leads to the idea that a particular person or tribe is working for the devil. Kids are programmed at a young age that evil must be destroyed. When they grow up and become judges, soldiers, kings/queens, popes, priest and such, they are ready to destroy evil.
Once in a while, they attack the other tribe and they try to kill them all, including the children, including all livestock and cultural material. Sometimes, they collect the livestock, gold, copper, silver, brass, bronze.

Sometimes, christians decide that muslims are working for the devil and they attack them.
The muslims decide that christians are working for the devil and they attack them.

Sometimes, they decide a particular individual is working for the devil and they hang him or burn him. (European culture). Apparently, the Salem witch trials of 1692 is the last killing of individuals accused on working for the devil in the western world.

When mormonism was invented, some decided to kill mormons (I think).
At some point, it led to the Mountain Meddows massacre where a group of mormons dressed up as native americans killed over 100 people, children included.
At some point, you have a bunch of christians who attacked and shot to death Joseph Smith’s brother (Hyrum). I think he was shot in the face near the jailhouse. 4 men went in the jail and there was a gun fight with Joseph Smith. Joseph jumps out the window and he is shot dead outside.
However, his killing might have been done by former mormons who learned that Joseph slept with their wives. Also, Joseph owed his followers a lot of money.

In any case, I’m sure that all sorts of things have been said about mormonism: That Joseph Smith is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Even today, I hear christians use that expression when talking about certain priests.

Let’s quote the Bible:
Quote:IF SOMEONE BELIEVES IN ANOTHER RELIGION, KILL HIM.
THIS IS PART OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
Deuteronomy 17:2 KING JAMES VERSION
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, {17:3} And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; {17:4} And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: {17:5} Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. {17:6} At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. {17:7} The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.

^^^^^Basically, it is saying that if someone is caught worshiping another god, kill him. Stone him to death.
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RE: Why "Jihad" martyrdom is important in Islamic faith?
(January 6, 2022 at 10:24 am)Klorophyll Wrote:
(September 1, 2021 at 11:03 pm)masoni Wrote: Islamic god -- Allah made a promises to those who is ready to suffer and die for him, he will reward with “Women”, Wine” in garden of paradise.

False. According to Islamic eschatology, all male inhabitants of heaven are rewarded by getting married to two houris. Nothing specific to martyrs here.

So islamic heaven is hell for women. That's really an awful thing to be advertising, you know.
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