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Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 6:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Ahriman Wrote: You really think you're better than someone who believes in God? Why?

So, earlier you made it clear that you do not understand epistemology (beliefs, facts, knowledge).

And now you make if clear that you do not understand what intellectual honesty and integrity mean, either.

It would be nice if you actually acknowledged when someone correctly pointed out when you wrong on a certain point. But then, that would require...wait for it....intellectual honesty.

If you ask any of us atheists here, if we want to be corrected if we have a false or unsupported belief, and universally, we will answer, yes.

I want to have as many true beliefs, and eliminate as many false beliefs as possible.

Why don't you?

Best I can understand is that Ahriman is not intelligent and has stated that himself more than once.  Apparently he also has no desire to be more intelligent and so convinces himself that being ignorant is a virtue and being intelligent is bad.  This is also something he has stated himself.  He actually said he'd rather be lucky and dumb than smart.  Strange, but true.  Please, Ahriman, correct me if I misstated your position on this.

(October 28, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 6:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, earlier you made it clear that you do not understand epistemology (beliefs, facts, knowledge).

And now you make if clear that you do not understand what intellectual honesty and integrity mean, either.

It would be nice if you actually acknowledged when someone correctly pointed out when you wrong on a certain point. But then, that would require...wait for it....intellectual honesty.

If you ask any of us atheists here, if we want to be corrected if we have a false or unsupported belief, and universally, we will answer, yes.

I want to have as many true beliefs, and eliminate as many false beliefs as possible.

Why don't you?
Because who cares? Is life a contest to see who has the most "true" beliefs?

His meaning in this should be obvious.  Knowing things is a good thing, not a bad thing.  When we know something, we can use that information to better ourselves and others.  

Example: people once believed that disease was the result of god's dissatisfaction with something we did.  Germ theory made this belief obsolete.  Armed with the correct information about what causes disease, scientists have developed treatments for lots of things that used to kill people.  So wouldn't you say it's generally good to know things?
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
Ahriman isn't dumb. He writes very well and I am sure he chooses his words with precision.

He's a special kind of slow burn troll. He wants to talk shit to see who will respond. If no one responded to him...he'd get bored and leave or step up his game. There have been a couple posts that aren't all sweetness and light...a little preview of what's to come.
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 6:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, earlier you made it clear that you do not understand epistemology (beliefs, facts, knowledge).

And now you make if clear that you do not understand what intellectual honesty and integrity mean, either.

It would be nice if you actually acknowledged when someone correctly pointed out when you wrong on a certain point. But then, that would require...wait for it....intellectual honesty.

If you ask any of us atheists here, if we want to be corrected if we have a false or unsupported belief, and universally, we will answer, yes.

I want to have as many true beliefs, and eliminate as many false beliefs as possible.

Why don't you?
Because who cares? Is life a contest to see who has the most "true" beliefs?

That's what you got out of my post?

That it is a competition? Wow...

You don't think there are major advantages to having an internal model of reality, that maps as closely as possible to actual reality?

Like, oh I don't know...

Choosing actual life saving medicine over homeopathy.
Like choosing actual cancer treatments instead of being scammed by 'psychic surgeons'.
Like making life changing decisions on actual evidence instead of Tarot card readings.

I am not saying you do these things, but, if you don't want to have as many true beliefs, and eliminate as many false beliefs, why wouldn't you do those things? What is preventing you from doing them, if you are not basing your decisions, at least somewhat, on true beliefs?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 7:07 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Because who cares? Is life a contest to see who has the most "true" beliefs?

That's what you got out of my post?

That it is a competition? Wow...

You don't think there are major advantages to having an internal model of reality, that maps as closely as possible to actual reality?
What are those "advantages"
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 6:50 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Ahriman isn't dumb.  He writes very well and I am sure he chooses his words with precision.

He's a special kind of slow burn troll.  He wants to talk shit to see who will respond.  If no one responded to him...he'd get bored and leave or step up his game.  There have been a couple posts that aren't all sweetness and light...a little preview of what's to come.

You're probably right.  I should just ignore him.  He's said enough stupid things that there's no reason to engage with him.  It's a complete waste of time.  Time to hit the Ignore button.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 7:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 7:07 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That's what you got out of my post?

That it is a competition? Wow...

You don't think there are major advantages to having an internal model of reality, that maps as closely as possible to actual reality?
What are those "advantages"

I edited my post to add more.

See my additions above.

But I could come up with pages more.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 7:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 7:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: What are those "advantages"

I edited my post to add more.

See my additions above.

But I could come up with pages more.

Yeah, I think its just wasted effort.  I'm done with this troll.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 7:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 7:11 pm)Ahriman Wrote: What are those "advantages"

I edited my post to add more.

See my additions above.

But I could come up with pages more.

Here's more.

Again, not saying you do any of these, but please justify your reasons why you wouldn't do them, if you don't think having an accurate model of reality, based on true beliefs, is important.

Like not drinking bleach, even if people on the internet say it cures covid.
Invest loads of money because you got a message you believe is from a supernatural origin.
Give money to someone because they claim to be able to talk to your dead relatives.
Skip taking life saving medication because some faith healer says you are cured.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
(October 28, 2021 at 6:28 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(October 28, 2021 at 6:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: So, earlier you made it clear that you do not understand epistemology (beliefs, facts, knowledge).

And now you make if clear that you do not understand what intellectual honesty and integrity mean, either.

It would be nice if you actually acknowledged when someone correctly pointed out when you wrong on a certain point. But then, that would require...wait for it....intellectual honesty.

If you ask any of us atheists here, if we want to be corrected if we have a false or unsupported belief, and universally, we will answer, yes.

I want to have as many true beliefs, and eliminate as many false beliefs as possible.

Why don't you?
Because who cares? Is life a contest to see who has the most "true" beliefs?

That's a great question.  Is it, why are you here, what explains your many statements to that effect? Remind me, Ahri, in this thread about the meaning of life...what's the most important thing in life? The one thing that matters more than any other thing? The meaning of it all?
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RE: Atheism and the meaning of life - what drives you?
Enjoying life is more important/meaningful than anything else, but it's not some grand meaning. It is very much a mundane understanding.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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