Something for nothing

[Spongebob]

You really are a dumb cunt...

You keep claiming to know what I think - despite the fact you continually get it wrong.


You don' t know me, my motivations or what I think or like.

Fucking pathetic assmunch.

Then why don't you explain yourself like a real adult?  And you could use real words, shit-eating, dick-licking, dog fucking cunt face.  See, anyone can do that.

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What I despise about people like OLB is that he grumps around, insults people, shouts nonsense when he hasn't done his research and generally acts like a complete dick, then has the audacity to act hurt when someone puts his own dick back in his mouth. It's really juvenile.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You really are a dumb cunt...

You keep claiming to know what I think - despite the fact you continually get it wrong.


You don' t know me, my motivations or what I think or like.

Fucking pathetic assmunch.

Isn't fun to be on the other end is dumbass or have you forgotten you have done the same shit to other people ....Hypocrite 

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You really are a dumb cunt...

You keep claiming to know what I think - despite the fact you continually get it wrong.


You don' t know me, my motivations or what I think or like.

Fucking pathetic assmunch.

Then why don't you explain yourself like a real adult?  And you could use real words, shit-eating, dick-licking, dog fucking cunt face.  See, anyone can do that.

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What I despise about people like OLB is that he grumps around, insults people, shouts nonsense when he hasn't done his research and generally acts like a complete dick, then has the audacity to act hurt when someone puts his own dick back in his mouth.  It's really juvenile.

Yup, he loves to dish it out. But becomes a total bitch when he has to eat it.

[Spongebob]

The really unfortunate thing is that there are real, significant challenges to transitioning from fossil fuels to all other technologies. I mean things other than just what kind of care we will drive. We could be discussing those things instead of tending to this whiney little bit, OLB with his childish bitching and moaning. It would be far more intellectually stimulating. Clearly he is substituting his lack of knowledge and imagination with these crummy criticisms. But I guess asking people on an open forum for well considered, intelligent conversation is a bit much, huh?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No, it isn’t a matter of disputing what you say (although I could). It’s that what you said is another dodge to keep from admitting you were wrong. But don’t feel too badly - changing the topic is a common ploy.

How am I making driving unaffordable to the poor? A lot of EVs are comparable in price to IC cars. There are used IC cars available, there’s no reason why there wouldn’t be used EVs available. Furthermore, the topic isn’t about eliminating IC cars, it’s whether or not EVs are better for the environment. 

Boru

You really do not understand the economics of automobiles do you???


Pay attention.


The number one cost of EV maintenance is replacing the battery when it fails. And it will. Batteries do not have a long life. An owner who buys an EV new will preferably sell it just before the battery is projected to fail. If that owner goes too long and the battery fails he can either put in a new battery - or sell "as is" - for which he will get bottom dollar.

Prospective buyers know this as well (unless they are morons). 

There will be no " fixer uppers" for the poor to buy. There will either be top dollar used - or junk that is not worth putting money into.

Sellers won't sell servicable but ugly, rusty cars -because there won't be any - because the cars will be scrapped much sooner.

It would be like this if IC cars drivetrains died and had to be replaced with new - not used. There won't be lots of used batteries to swap out with dead.

EV batteries have be under warranty for at least 100 000 miles (real-world experience is that they tend to last a good bit longer than that).

I don’t understand why a dealer wouldn’t put in a new battery (dealer cost would be around $3000 US) and sell the car as used.

But the simplest solution would be to lease the cars. Leases generally come with lower down payments, lower monthlies, lower total taxes, and warranties.

Now we can move on to your next baseless objection.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

You really do not understand the economics of automobiles do you???


Pay attention.


The number one cost of EV maintenance is replacing the battery when it fails. And it will. Batteries do not have a long life. An owner who buys an EV new will preferably sell it just before the battery is projected to fail. If that owner goes too long and the battery fails he can either put in a new battery - or sell "as is" - for which he will get bottom dollar.

Prospective buyers know this as well (unless they are morons). 

There will be no " fixer uppers" for the poor to buy. There will either be top dollar used - or junk that is not worth putting money into.

Sellers won't sell servicable but ugly, rusty cars -because there won't be any - because the cars will be scrapped much sooner.

It would be like this if IC cars drivetrains died and had to be replaced with new - not used. There won't be lots of used batteries to swap out with dead.

EV batteries have be under warranty for at least 100 000 miles (real-world experience is that they tend to last a good bit longer than that).

I don’t understand why a dealer wouldn’t put in a new battery (dealer cost would be around $3000 US) and sell the car as used.

But the simplest solution would be to lease the cars. Leases generally come with lower down payments, lower monthlies, lower total taxes, and warranties.

Now we can move on to your next baseless objection.

Boru

Bwaaaahahahah.


You REALLY don' t savvy "poor".

I have never SPENT $3000 on a car. The poor people I know ( and I know lots) couldn' t scrape together 3 grand for a car - they would have to go to a predatory dealer who charges them HUGE interest payments for a shitbox used car.......

Get and BE poor for a couple decades then you can come back and school me on what the bottom of the pay scale looks like...

[Foxaèr]

Never spent so much as a single red cent on a vehicle, I have you all beat.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

EV batteries have be under warranty for at least 100 000 miles (real-world experience is that they tend to last a good bit longer than that).

I don’t understand why a dealer wouldn’t put in a new battery (dealer cost would be around $3000 US) and sell the car as used.

But the simplest solution would be to lease the cars. Leases generally come with lower down payments, lower monthlies, lower total taxes, and warranties.

Now we can move on to your next baseless objection.

Boru

Bwaaaahahahah.


You REALLY don' t savvy "poor".

I have never SPENT $3000 on a car. The poor people I know ( and I know lots) couldn' t scrape together 3 grand for a car - they would have to go to a predatory dealer who charges them HUGE interest payments for a shitbox used car.......

Get and BE poor for a couple decades then you can come back and school me on what the bottom of the pay scale looks like...

So, you understand the concept of ‘financing’. Good to know.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

Yes. Financing is spending money you don' t have.


It makes the poor poorer.


If I had tried financing my way through life I would be destitute by now.

[Spongebob]

This thread is just the same arguments as he made before on a different thread. What the heck? If you get schooled once, why would you sign up to do it again and again? My suggestion, take it up with someone who can actually affect reality. No one here likely has any real influence on what people drive. Run for office if you're so hot and bothered by it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

This thread is just the same arguments as he made before on a different thread.  What the heck?  If you get schooled once, why would you sign up to do it again and again?  My suggestion, take it up with someone who can actually affect reality.  No one here likely has any real influence on what people drive.  Run for office if you're so hot and bothered by it.

Yup the same cynical mindset, And his only fucking solution is something that's already been shown to be wrong multiple freaking times

Population control will not work