[Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false

[LadyForCamus]

No one cares.

[WinterHold]

Others do care. It's an Islamic section afterall.
And being a part of this community means a lot: don't forget that "Islamic forums" and "Many Muslims" ban you immediately if you write such topics.

So it’s an Islamic section of the forums - so what? You want point for posting something in the right place?

I will never be banned from an Islamic forum, because I would never JOIN an Islamic forum.

Boru

Of course you won't join an Islamic forum, but I will sure join an atheist forum and hope to transfer my message which I wrote about here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806.html

Why I'm here: a Muslim. My Philosophy in life. What is yours;Muslim?

By proving that my source book -the Quran- did not say a letter of the Hadith; I will satisfy my goal.
By exposing what Hadith believing Muslims do to cover-up the Quran, I will satisfy my goal.

So many Muslims should be ashamed that they ban free opinions.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So it’s an Islamic section of the forums - so what? You want point for posting something in the right place?

I will never be banned from an Islamic forum, because I would never JOIN an Islamic forum.

Boru

Of course you won't join an Islamic forum, but I will sure join an atheist forum and hope to transfer my message which I wrote about here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54806.html

Why I'm here: a Muslim. My Philosophy in life. What is yours;Muslim?

By proving that my source book -the Quran- did not say a letter of the Hadith; I will satisfy my goal.
By exposing what Hadith believing Muslims do to cover-up the Quran, I will satisfy my goal.

So many Muslims should be ashamed that they ban free opinions.

Lol, you don’t need to justify being here. You’re free to join anyforum or message board you want to. 

Just pointing out that I don’t care what the Quran or the aHadith have to say. About anything.

Boru

[Ravenshire]

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In this topic, I wanted to bring the end of the "sanctity of the Hadith books" and show that the Quran is the only holy book in Islam; its one and only source book; and it actually warned that masses of people will try to kill the Quran.

So let's begin.

#NOTE: every point I made is directly based on a Quranic verse literally; the verses are quoted and their positions in the Quran are also mentioned by verse and Sura.

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1- The Quran spoke about "people who twist their tongues so we think what they're saying is a part of the scripture":

Sura 3, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 78 )   And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know.

You always hear "Muslims" who come to you and "twist their tongues" to spit "Hadith narrations" in an attempt to make what they say holy like the scripture. 
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2-Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- had nothing but the Quran as a source book; the revelation that came to him from God is "the Quran" only:

Sura 6, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 19 )   Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, "Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

( 20 )   Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe.

( 21 )   And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.

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3-A direct and clear threat was given from God to any person who comprise false scripture and say "this is from God !":

Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 79 )   So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

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4-There are so many Muslims -and you saw many of them in this forum and outside- who reject the Quran and say it is either not enough or not obvious enough when a religious matter is under discussion-, instead they paste to you walls of text from Hadith books:

Sura 3, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 23 )   Do you not consider, [O Muhammad], those who were given a portion of the Scripture? They are invited to the Scripture of Allah that it should arbitrate between them; then a party of them turns away, and they are refusing.

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5-Concealing the Quran is a cursed deed, the Hadith is an attempt to conceal the Quran and replace it:

Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 159 )   Indeed, those who conceal what We sent down of clear proofs and guidance after We made it clear for the people in the Scripture - those are cursed by Allah and cursed by those who curse,

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6- Muslims were given a covenant too to never conceal the Quran and never distort its meanings; but the Hadith was invented later on by them to break the covenant:

Sura 3, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 187 )   And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.

The covenant given to Muslims:

Sura 16, The Quran:

https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=16_91&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

( 91 )   And fulfill the covenant of Allah when you have taken it, [O believers], and do not break oaths after their confirmation while you have made Allah, over you, a witness. Indeed, Allah knows what you do.

( 92 )   And do not be like she who untwisted her spun thread after it was strong [by] taking your oaths as [means of] deceit between you because one community is more plentiful [in number or wealth] than another community. Allah only tries you thereby. And He will surely make clear to you on the Day of Resurrection that over which you used to differ.

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This is why I despise the Islamic faith in the Hadith. The source book -the Quran- actually said and mentioned how people of the scripture made tricks and surrounded their holy books with lies, and Muslims are no difference: their way to do that is the "Hadith books" just like the Christian way was First Council of Nicaea.

Stay safe.

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Nobody here fucking cares how you interpret your religious writings!

[Deesse23]

In this topic, I wanted to bring the end of the "sanctity of the Hadith books"

This is a forum predominantly populated by atheists. They dont believe any of your islam(istic) bullshit in the first place. Why dont you go and preach in a forum where people do care about your drivel?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In this topic, I wanted to bring the end of the "sanctity of the Hadith books"

This is a forum predominantly populated by atheists. They dont believe any of your islam(istic) bullshit in the first place. Why dont you go and preach in a forum where people do care about your drivel?

He's already explained that - if he goes to Muslim forums preaching the same stuff, he's likely to be banned from them. Here, on the other hand, he's found a safe haven for his lunacy. In essence, he's decided that shouting down a well is better for him than not shouting at all.

Boru

[Peebothuhlu]

As I've said to many a x-tian who's asked about my knowledge of their magic book.

Show me some veracity for the thing behind all the claims in sid book and maybe then we can work away at all the jargon contained in said book that describes magic.

Cheers.

Not at work.

[Deesse23]

This is a forum predominantly populated by atheists. They dont believe any of your islam(istic) bullshit in the first place. Why dont you go and preach in a forum where people do care about your drivel?

He's already explained that - if he goes to Muslim forums preaching the same stuff, he's likely to be banned from them. Here, on the other hand, he's found a safe haven for his lunacy. In essence, he's decided that shouting down a well is better for him than not shouting at all.

Boru

Essentially he got the message than neither muslims nor non-muslims are interestied in his drivel, and that didnt light up some neurons in his brain?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He's already explained that - if he goes to Muslim forums preaching the same stuff, he's likely to be banned from them. Here, on the other hand, he's found a safe haven for his lunacy. In essence, he's decided that shouting down a well is better for him than not shouting at all.

Boru

Essentially he got the message than neither muslims nor non-muslims are interestied in his drivel, and that didnt light up some neurons in his brain?

Pretty much, yes.

Boru

[R00tKiT]

( 78 )   And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know.

You always hear "Muslims" who come to you and "twist their tongues" to spit "Hadith narrations" in an attempt to make what they say holy like the scripture. 

 
The verse refers to anyone who tries to mimic scripture to confuse people. This doesn't allude at all to hadiths, because they are not an attempt to imitate scripture.

2-Prophet Mohammed -peace be upon him- had nothing but the Quran as a source book; the revelation that came to him from God is "the Quran" only:

Sura 6, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 19 )   Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, "Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

( 20 )   Those to whom We have given the Scripture recognize it as they recognize their [own] sons. Those who will lose themselves [in the Hereafter] do not believe.

( 21 )   And who is more unjust than one who invents about Allah a lie or denies His verses? Indeed, the wrongdoers will not succeed.

Where do these verses say that the prophet had ONLY the Qur'an ? Where is the word only in the verses...? 

3-A direct and clear threat was given from God to any person who comprise false scripture and say "this is from God !":

Hadiths aren't a substitute to the Qur'an, they are a necessary complement. What's so hard to understand about that ?
Also,  sunnism doesn't claim hadiths come from God verbatim.

4-There are so many Muslims -and you saw many of them in this forum and outside- who reject the Quran and say it is either not enough or not obvious enough when a religious matter is under discussion-, instead they paste to you walls of text from Hadith books:

We don't reject the Qur'an, you're trying to build a strawman to make it easy for yourself.

5-Concealing the Quran is a cursed deed, the Hadith is an attempt to conceal the Quran and replace it:

That's hilarious. Many hadiths actually encourage reading the Qur'an and promise heavenly gratification for reciting some of its chapters.