On the lunacy of free will

[Ahriman]

I'm sure your dreams aren't bullshit, they're your dreams - just as I'm sure that you said getting the golden ticket was an issue of licking boot (some boot...any boot..apparently), the only meaningful qualifier.

No.......I said that if admittance into Heaven was based on works, everyone would be trying to kiss God's ass. Fortunately enough, that's not how it works.

[Spongebob]

Also, it doesn't matter which particular deity a person believes in, just as long as they believe in some god.

So, you're a pagan?  Belief in any particular god brings you into that god's purview.  It would be most helpful if you would just declare what your specific religious beliefs are and stop being so coy about it.  But then I suppose that would mean you can't change your mind any time you like.  Admit it, you are a bullshitter and you are just trolling.

[The Grand Nudger]

You want a real answer? The only meaningful choice to be made is whether or not to believe in God. Most people believe in God. Believing in God does not guarantee you're going to Heaven, but at least you'll be in the drawing, so to speak. And Hell will be much worse for someone who doesn't believe in God, than someone who does believe in God.

[Ahriman]

Also, it doesn't matter which particular deity a person believes in, just as long as they believe in some god.

So, you're a pagan?  Belief in any particular god brings you into that god's purview.  It would be most helpful if you would just declare what your specific religious beliefs are and stop being so coy about it.  But then I suppose that would mean you can't change your mind any time you like.  Admit it, you are a bullshitter and you are just trolling.

Well on that basis, yeah I'm a pagan. But I don't get caught up on labels like you do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or basic consistency, apparently. You managed to get your troll threads mixed up.
Here, in this thread, you advance the bootlicker theory. It's here -

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63459.html

-where you advance the best of the best theory. Different threads, different scripts, I suppose.

[Spongebob]

So, you're a pagan?  Belief in any particular god brings you into that god's purview.  It would be most helpful if you would just declare what your specific religious beliefs are and stop being so coy about it.  But then I suppose that would mean you can't change your mind any time you like.  Admit it, you are a bullshitter and you are just trolling.

Well on that basis, yeah I'm a pagan. But I don't get caught up on labels like you do.

Labels are a form of communication and can help understanding.  You don't seem to mind labels when they suit your needs.  And how do you know I'm "hung up" on labels?  What I have done is ask you questions which you have most often ignored or dodged.  There appears to be nothing honest about you.

[Ahriman]

Well on that basis, yeah I'm a pagan. But I don't get caught up on labels like you do.

Labels are a form of communication and can help understanding.  You don't seem to mind labels when they suit your needs.  And how do you know I'm "hung up" on labels?  What I have done is ask you questions which you have most often ignored or dodged.  There appears to be nothing honest about you.

Come off it. I'm not a politician. I'm being as honest as I can be while not falling into the "black and white" trap, because many things in life, are not black and white. Even if I am a pagan, which I suppose I could be, that doesn't automatically mean I subscribe to every single paganistic belief necessarily.

[Ferrocyanide]

You can believe these things, but of course you must understand that your belief in no way guarantees these things are true.  And as I've pointed out to other theists here, just believing in god is not enough.  You have to believe in the right god.  If you get the wrong one, you are no better off than disbelieving completely, possibly worse even.

The fact most people believe in some god doesn't add any credibility to your position.  For one, they don't agree on which god is real.  Much of what they believe is mutually exclusive, which means they can't all be right.

I do think it's unique that you believe that belief in god doesn't guarantee you get into heaven, but apparently gets you better treatment in hell.

Pascal’s wager.

It is more complicated than that. Some religions share the same god: judaism, christianity, islam, mormonism
So, you have to choose the right religion. The modern day jew, christian, islam, mormon might say it doesn’t matter which of these 4 religions you choose but that’s bc they don’t want to get into an argument. They don’t want a gun fight.
In the old days, these groups were very much willing to kill each other over their religion.

Then, you have to choose the right sect since each of these religions are fragmented.
Christianity has 37,000 sects.
Islam seems to have 51. (If you are going to count each mosque as separate like in the case of christianity, then I’m sure you’ll reach some high number).
Mormonism has 4.
I don’t know about judaism.

I’ve heard christians say countless of times “beware of wolfs in sheep’s clothing” when they refer to islam or mormonism. <--- Such people are more willing to tell you what they really think about the other religions.

[The Grand Nudger]

I doubt the pagans would claim you. You know what's funny..is that as a group, neopagans say loopier shit than you do by far - but they still manage to present those beliefs bluntly, honestly, and consistently.

Let's not pretend that anything about the world not being black and white is the reason for your bullshit here on the boards, eh?

[Spongebob]

Labels are a form of communication and can help understanding.  You don't seem to mind labels when they suit your needs.  And how do you know I'm "hung up" on labels?  What I have done is ask you questions which you have most often ignored or dodged.  There appears to be nothing honest about you.

Come off it. I'm not a politician. I'm being as honest as I can be while not falling into the "black and white" trap, because many things in life, are not black and white. Even if I am a pagan, which I suppose I could be, that doesn't automatically mean I subscribe to every single paganistic belief necessarily.

If you were an honest person you wouldn't dodge honest questions.  And no one is setting any "traps" for you.

I don't care if you are pagan and I don't subscribe to any false dichotomy fallacies.  Most subjects are more nuanced than that, so stop using that as an excuse.

What you do is throw up tons of generalizations, contradictions and tons and tons of fallacies and then pretend that you know everything.  Not a good recipe for credibility.  If you want to be taken seriously, you will stop this idiocy and be specific, honest and stop the use of fallacies.  If you don't mind being considered an idiot and a troll, then carry on.  Your credibility here couldn't get much lower if you try.  Right now absolutely no one here takes you seriously.

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Pascal’s wager.

It is more complicated than that. Some religions share the same god: judaism, christianity, islam, mormonism
So, you have to choose the right religion. The modern day jew, christian, islam, mormon might say it doesn’t matter which of these 4 religions you choose but that’s bc they don’t want to get into an argument. They don’t want a gun fight.
In the old days, these groups were very much willing to kill each other over their religion.

Then, you have to choose the right sect since each of these religions are fragmented.
Christianity has 37,000 sects.
Islam seems to have 51. (If you are going to count each mosque as separate like in the case of christianity, then I’m sure you’ll reach some high number).
Mormonism has 4.
I don’t know about judaism.

I’ve heard christians say countless of times “beware of wolfs in sheep’s clothing” when they refer to islam or mormonism. <--- Such people are more willing to tell you what they really think about the other religions.

This is certainly all true.  I was looking for brevity, but the deeper you go the more contradictions you find.  Even within one single sect of Christianity, the act of being "saved" isn't an exact science; more like guessing.