[Serious] That Trans Thread

[Rev. Rye]

Here’s a link to her whole Twitlonger note.

This is what it looks like to force trans folk to detransition. I’d call this a warning, but then again, I know for a fact that there’s a lot of right-wingers, even mainstream right-wingers, jizzing their pants at the prospect of trans folk killing themselves. Christ, the 41% suicide attempt rate of trans folks is a meme among the far-right.

[Irreligious Atheist]

The problem with the trans people is, they openly accept those that differ from them, and that's just fucking disgusting.

But the most disturbing thing about these people is, they think freely and are not confined to the glorious teachings of scientifically inept goat fucking troglodytes.

I find that these all or nothing comments like you've just made, which is a clear misrepresentation of reality, are not really helpful. A great deal of trans activists certainly do not accept those that differ from them. Case in point, the recent Hogwarts Legacy debacle. Trans activists were losing their shit and trying to cancel progressive and socialist streamers left and right because people bought a video game, rather than these trans activists using their limited time to go after laws that actually threaten their lives. They can't get their priorities straight and the ridiculous trans activists are causing anti-trans sentiment with their stupidity and narcissism. They really need to cut it out and get their shit together, but hey, what can you do. Sometimes people with deep trauma just say some really stupid things and make some really dumb arguments, because of the deep pain they have within them. This is why I instead go to cis people like Vaush and Destiny to get all of my trans discourse. I kid... but not really. They sometimes talk to trans creators, and I enjoy those streams for the most part.

Those activists should think about all the hate they are bringing onto the regular trans people in society with their whackjob actions. The activists and antis on all sides of this are cancer, really. Sadly that always has to be the case. Anti-trans activists need to screw off and let parents and children make choices with their doctors. If I had a child that wanted to take puberty blockers, I'd let them, maybe even as young as 10 or 11. All medical decisions are a risk, I suppose. All of life is a risk.

All of this anti-trans legislation I'm hearing about is just awful. Even more reason for those with the loudest bullhorns to focus on those things and the real shit, rather than Hogwarts legacy. Pleeeease trans activists. Hassan Piker is not the problem with society. I have trans people in the real world that I care about, and I do not appreciate the image of trans people that you are presenting to the world.

And before someone says I'm being phobic to criticize any trans person, please don't. Enabling certain trans people in their problematic behaviour is not the route to helping them get better. Any mental health professional will tell you not to enable, and that's what many of you are doing. If you refuse any criticism of a group, that's called treating that group like 3 year old mental children, and that's the farthest thing from true respect for trans people.

[Rev. Rye]

I followed the controversy behind that, and while I get the impulse behind the boycott, (and when Jessie Gender makes a 4-hour video about it and you watch the whole damn thing, it’s kind of hard to not do so), I do believe it’s probably the sort of moral wankery that doesn’t really work out in the real world.





Yeah, no shit JoJo’s devoting her time to fucking with trans folk. No shit she’s gone on record saying that as long as the royalties keep coming in, she doesn’t care that she’s alienated a good-sized portion of her fan base. But, frankly, this could only have ever ended one way. Boycotts only work on local scale, with individualized and targeted action )like, say, the Montgomery Bus Boycott). Anything else, especially with, say, an internationally released game that’s part of a franchise that rakes in hundreds of millions with every new installment, even if they haven’t been anything to write home about since 2007, is doomed to fail, even at the best of times.

All shit like that does is drum up a bunch of free publicity for the game, maybe make people want to see how bad it is for themselves. Fuck knows I’ve spent every week for the last couple years watching movies I’d most likely have never even heard of if people hadn’t taken the time to say how horrible they were.

Add to it that the controversy is an issue that’s controversial in such a way that, even if the content itself is abhorrent, any controversy is guaranteed to rack up endorsements from right-wingers who want to promote the game out of spite. Add in the controversy that comes when boycott supporters try and harass streamers who are normally allies, the boycott just becomes a liability.

You want to show the world that transphobia is not okay? Maybe find a way to inform the world in a way that isn’t guaranteed to make shit worse for you.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I followed the controversy behind that, and while I get the impulse behind the boycott, (and when Jessie Gender makes a 4-hour video about it and you watch the whole damn thing, it’s kind of hard to not do so), I do believe it’s probably the sort of moral wankery that doesn’t really work out in the real world.





Yeah, no shit JoJo’s devoting her time to fucking with trans folk. No shit she’s gone on record saying that as long as the royalties keep coming in, she doesn’t care that she’s alienated a good-sized portion of her fan base. But, frankly, this could only have ever ended one way. Boycotts only work on local scale, with individualized and targeted action )like, say, the Montgomery Bus Boycott). Anything else, especially with, say, an internationally released game that’s part of a franchise that rakes in hundreds of millions with every new installment, even if they haven’t been anything to write home about since 2007, is doomed to fail, even at the best of times.

All shit like that does is drum up a bunch of free publicity for the game, maybe make people want to see how bad it is for themselves. Fuck knows I’ve spent every week for the last couple years watching movies I’d most likely have never even heard of if people hadn’t taken the time to say how horrible they were.

Add to it that the controversy is an issue that’s controversial in such a way that, even if the content itself is abhorrent, any controversy is guaranteed to rack up endorsements from right-wingers who want to promote the game out of spite. Add in the controversy that comes when boycott supporters try and harass streamers who are normally allies, the boycott just becomes a liability.

You want to show the world that transphobia is not okay? Maybe find a way to inform the world in a way that isn’t guaranteed to make shit worse for you.

All good points and like Vaush I think it was pointed out, one can't necessarily justify boycotting Hogwarts Legacy, because we spend our money on other things that cause harm to the world or we are putting money in the pockets of rich immoral assholes all day every day with our purchases, so why single out Hogwarts Legacy, right? And JK Rowling was not even involved in the making of the game. She's only getting some royalties.

But yes, I agree that trans folks need to pick their battles, and the Hogwarts Legacy battle was a big misfire. When trans people's lives are really on the line here and anti-trans legislation is being rammed through and shit's getting real, now is not the time for the boy who cried wolf, which is what the Hogwarts Legacy debacle was. Again though, I blame a select number of activists for this, and not trans people in general, as that would be unfair. But when Vaush and Hassan Piker who go as far as calling the situation in the US right now trans genocide, can't even get the trans ally pass, it's tough out there. Trans and cis need to be able to have differences of opinion while still respecting eachother, because if the trans are expecting their version of perfection from us, they're just not going to get it. Like Destiny said, what trans people need is mid allies that are going to vote for trans rights. They don't need hardcore allies that are going to listen to all their demands and stop buying video games.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I followed the controversy behind that, and while I get the impulse behind the boycott, (and when Jessie Gender makes a 4-hour video about it and you watch the whole damn thing, it’s kind of hard to not do so), I do believe it’s probably the sort of moral wankery that doesn’t really work out in the real world.





Yeah, no shit JoJo’s devoting her time to fucking with trans folk. No shit she’s gone on record saying that as long as the royalties keep coming in, she doesn’t care that she’s alienated a good-sized portion of her fan base. But, frankly, this could only have ever ended one way. Boycotts only work on local scale, with individualized and targeted action )like, say, the Montgomery Bus Boycott). Anything else, especially with, say, an internationally released game that’s part of a franchise that rakes in hundreds of millions with every new installment, even if they haven’t been anything to write home about since 2007, is doomed to fail, even at the best of times.

All shit like that does is drum up a bunch of free publicity for the game, maybe make people want to see how bad it is for themselves. Fuck knows I’ve spent every week for the last couple years watching movies I’d most likely have never even heard of if people hadn’t taken the time to say how horrible they were.

Add to it that the controversy is an issue that’s controversial in such a way that, even if the content itself is abhorrent, any controversy is guaranteed to rack up endorsements from right-wingers who want to promote the game out of spite. Add in the controversy that comes when boycott supporters try and harass streamers who are normally allies, the boycott just becomes a liability.

You want to show the world that transphobia is not okay? Maybe find a way to inform the world in a way that isn’t guaranteed to make shit worse for you.

And again, my point is proven right, that there can be no discussion in this thread or no criticism of trans activists, period, because I received a warning from forum staff for my post, as it was marked as hate speech and slurs. They didn't even tell me what the hate speech was and I seriously don't recall posting any slurs, but if we're going to treat trans folks like 3 year olds here, then have at it, AF. Don't fuck with the trans, I guess.

[Angrboda]

If I were to guess, it might have to do with the last paragraph of your post. In it you implicate trans-activist who are trans as the problem when irresponsible trans-activism and trans-activism in general aren't specific to trans people alone. Additionally, you implied that the behavior you see as problematic was a mental health issue; that at minimum, it is dysfunctional behavior. So you singled out trans people as being dysfunctional, basically. Though I can't speak for staff. Perhaps instead of whining in a public thread, use the Questions for staff subforum which was designed for just such occasions. Or keep being an idiot. I know you can't help that.

[Rev. Rye]

I followed the controversy behind that, and while I get the impulse behind the boycott, (and when Jessie Gender makes a 4-hour video about it and you watch the whole damn thing, it’s kind of hard to not do so), I do believe it’s probably the sort of moral wankery that doesn’t really work out in the real world.





Yeah, no shit JoJo’s devoting her time to fucking with trans folk. No shit she’s gone on record saying that as long as the royalties keep coming in, she doesn’t care that she’s alienated a good-sized portion of her fan base. But, frankly, this could only have ever ended one way. Boycotts only work on local scale, with individualized and targeted action )like, say, the Montgomery Bus Boycott). Anything else, especially with, say, an internationally released game that’s part of a franchise that rakes in hundreds of millions with every new installment, even if they haven’t been anything to write home about since 2007, is doomed to fail, even at the best of times.

All shit like that does is drum up a bunch of free publicity for the game, maybe make people want to see how bad it is for themselves. Fuck knows I’ve spent every week for the last couple years watching movies I’d most likely have never even heard of if people hadn’t taken the time to say how horrible they were.

Add to it that the controversy is an issue that’s controversial in such a way that, even if the content itself is abhorrent, any controversy is guaranteed to rack up endorsements from right-wingers who want to promote the game out of spite. Add in the controversy that comes when boycott supporters try and harass streamers who are normally allies, the boycott just becomes a liability.

You want to show the world that transphobia is not okay? Maybe find a way to inform the world in a way that isn’t guaranteed to make shit worse for you.

And again, my point is proven right, that there can be no discussion in this thread or no criticism of trans activists, period, because I received a warning from forum staff for my post, as it was marked as hate speech and slurs. They didn't even tell me what the hate speech was and I seriously don't recall posting any slurs, but if we're going to treat trans folks like 3 year olds here, then have at it, AF. Don't fuck with the trans, I guess.

And, surprisingly, the quote of mine you posted was full of the stuff you just insisted wasn’t allowed, but I didn’t get any warning. It’s almost like there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it.

[Irreligious Atheist]

And again, my point is proven right, that there can be no discussion in this thread or no criticism of trans activists, period, because I received a warning from forum staff for my post, as it was marked as hate speech and slurs. They didn't even tell me what the hate speech was and I seriously don't recall posting any slurs, but if we're going to treat trans folks like 3 year olds here, then have at it, AF. Don't fuck with the trans, I guess.

And, surprisingly, the quote of mine you posted was full of the stuff you just insisted wasn’t allowed, but I didn’t get any warning. It’s almost like there’s a right way and a wrong way to do it.

Are you implying I was actually posting slurs against trans people, because I don't remember calling anyone a t word? But who even knows what slur means any longer.

And if you were a new member rather than a respected member with a long history, you'd be getting called a hate monger right along with me. Your rep protects you on this one to a degree.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If I were to guess, it might have to do with the last paragraph of your post.  In it you implicate trans-activist who are trans as the problem when irresponsible trans-activism and trans-activism in general aren't specific to trans people alone.  Additionally, you implied that the behavior you see as problematic was a mental health issue; that at minimum, it is dysfunctional behavior.  So you singled out trans people as being dysfunctional, basically.  Though I can't speak for staff.  Perhaps instead of whining in a public thread, use the Questions for staff subforum which was designed for just such occasions.  Or keep being an idiot.  I know you can't help that.

Or it would help if, you know, the mod or admin or whatever actually told me the specific slur I posted, or even what post was problematic specifically, because I know what slurs are and so do you, and none were posted by me. Slurs are something very specific, and a lack of criticism does not = love or respect, it = enablement.

But whoever complained has won. Trans people are all perfect and have never done anything wrong. Hassan Piker and Vaush need to be cancelled post haste for playing video games, and all is right in the world. If people don't want any debate whatsoever in this thread and only want a place to hold hands, then that's what I'll give you. I'll disengage if these people only want to be told that they are right, and anyone else who deviates even a little bit is deemed hateful. I'm done addressing trans people in this thread, because it's not worth the hassle or worth the risk.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If I were to guess, it might have to do with the last paragraph of your post.  In it you implicate trans-activist who are trans as the problem when irresponsible trans-activism and trans-activism in general aren't specific to trans people alone.  Additionally, you implied that the behavior you see as problematic was a mental health issue; that at minimum, it is dysfunctional behavior.  So you singled out trans people as being dysfunctional, basically.  Though I can't speak for staff.  Perhaps instead of whining in a public thread, use the Questions for staff subforum which was designed for just such occasions.  Or keep being an idiot.  I know you can't help that.

If I call up my friend and tell him he must not buy the new Super Mario or he is being a bad friend and betraying me, am I acting like a rational member of society, or do I need to take a step back and take a deeper look into what about my brain chemistry is making me act that way? Yes, it is fine that a trans person would not personally want to buy the Hogwarts video game, because it might just remind them of the naughty things JK Rowling has said. But considering it a betrayal for friends or allies to buy the game? That's not normal. There is simply no way that you can argue that this is normal. I did not single out trans people. Trans people are being mentioned because this is literally the trans thread. Yes, people of all types do irrational things, of course. I didn't know that needed to be pointed out in every post I make, since this is, you know, a trans thread with said name.

And don't the majority of people, cis or trans, say they are or have gone through mental health problems or depression or anxiety? You act like I hate people that go through mental health issues, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have sympathy for all. Mental health is not brought up as a put down or supposed hate speech. I remember when hate speech used to mean speech by people that actually hated the ones they were putting down. Now it just means you weren't careful enough, which again, is why many leftists like Destiny say they are afraid to even speak on trans issues, because it may just not be worth the hassle and threat level. If you want people to disengage from trans people and issues and only want the echo chamber, that's fine by me. Your forum. I actually thought I was being super nice and careful in my posts, but I guess there is no such thing as being careful when it comes to criticism. You've been labeled a bigot, whatever you say is going to be labeled as hate speech.