So lets say God appeared right in front of you.

[fr0d0]

I'm not watering it down or picking meaning... I'm telling you what it actually says, exactly.

"You can't have matter without time" = exactly what I'm talking about. This wasn't at all what the authors of the text concerned themselves with at all. Material creation is not the subject. Well done in working that out

[reverendjeremiah]

I'm not watering it down or picking meaning... I'm telling you what it actually says, exactly.

"You can't have matter without time" = exactly what I'm talking about. This wasn't at all what the authors of the text concerned themselves with at all. Material creation is not the subject. Well done in working that out

Okay..I got Kudos for it, yet I havent the slightest idea WHY I got Kudos from you? If it isnt material, then it must be immaginary? I dont know what you are talking about. Could you please explain "spiritual creation" for me, as all I do is scratch my head and think "metaphysical creation?"

[fr0d0]

It isn't a description of material creation, but of adding function. In the ancient world what gave anything purpose was the function it performed. To give function was everything.

The point is this isn't science. Science is in a state of constant flux. Discoveries are made, conclusions change. What we accept as true today wont necessarily be what we accept as true tomorrow.

So God is communicating in the language of the time truths about himself. Not explaining anything they didn't already think was true in their cosmology.. because everything said on that account is mirrored in nearly every other ancient text. But what was unique about this God and his nature.

[Minimalist]

Okay..I got Kudos for it, yet I havent the slightest idea WHY I got Kudos from you

Must be another one of those fucking miracles!

[reverendjeremiah]

"Why did you make it so all these doofus atheists just don't get it?"

(You get to choose all your life between heaven and hell anyway)

LMFAO..or "Why did you choose people like Fr0d0 to be your mouthpiece?" Would be a good one as well.

Nice diversion Skipper. You are completely wrong... the first book of Genesis says nothing about material creation. You, along with creationist nutjobs, are welcome to misinterpret it all you like.

WRONG! Here is the King James Bible:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

The bible flat out says that God created the earth..if that isnt a material creation, then all that I know about the definitions of "material" and "creation" are absolutely WRONG.

God didn't produce man out of dirt... he formed him from the dirt. He formed Eve from a rib ...this isn't meant to be literal.. it's showing God ordering everything. Separating and making sense out of chaos.

WRONG! In the first chapter of Genesis, it has your god creating both male and females in his own image PHYSICALLY out of thin air..out of nothing:

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

This all sounds VERY physical and material based. I dont see anything about spiritual..well..spiritual ANYTHING in these verses other than god is a spirit creating real, material objects and species.

honestly, this is very embarrassing for you. You dont even know your religions creation myth? You have to have an atheist show you the first chapter of genesis?

[KichigaiNeko]

So God appeared right in front of you.
He allows you to say/ask anything to him, but only one thing. Whether it be an insult or not.
He then allows you to choose whether to join Heaven or Hell, it's all up to you.

For me I would ask him if he can have this massive showdown with all the Greek Gods.
And be sent to hell because I would love to remember the epic battle between the gods. If I went heaven he'll probably erase all my memory and personality because he probably got beaten into a pulp. Silly I know.

You?

I would ask the fucking bastard why didn't he come with wine?? And to wipe his fucking feet...and how Dare he "just appear" infront of me...has he got NO manners AT ALL??

[reverendjeremiah]

I would ask the fucking bastard why didn't he come with wine?? And to wipe his fucking feet...and how Dare he "just appear" infront of me...has he got NO manners AT ALL??

I know..right!?! I think I will change my answer from "where the fuck have you been?" to just bitch slaaping him like a dog. I would back hand him so hard that people who saw it would say "GOD DAMN!" and then cringe while they saw the slow motion of the shock waves rolling across Jebus's cheek flesh as a tooth slowly flies out of his mouth, tumbling across the sky followed my a trail of blood.

I would then demand that Jebus practice what he preached and turned the other cheek for me.


No..I would just kick him in the nuts with my steel toed boots...HARD!

[fr0d0]

The bible flat out says that God created the earth..if that isnt a material creation, then all that I know about the definitions of "material" and "creation" are absolutely WRONG.

Capital letters make you right huh?

I'm afraid if you look at it accurately rev, you will find there is only one possible interpretation. And guess which one that might be?

This is Hebrew and not English. the English words are best approximations of the meaning. Like I've explained to you the words don't mean what you're trying to make them mean. don't take my word for it tho'... go look into it yourself.

God didn't produce man out of dirt... he formed him from the dirt. He formed Eve from a rib ...this isn't meant to be literal.. it's showing God ordering everything. Separating and making sense out of chaos.

WRONG! In the first chapter of Genesis, it has your god creating both male and females in his own image PHYSICALLY out of thin air..out of nothing:

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

This all sounds VERY physical and material based. I dont see anything about spiritual..well..spiritual ANYTHING in these verses other than god is a spirit creating real, material objects and species.

Did you read what I put at all? Did I mention spiritual? No - you did. Did I explain that it 's very clear from the text that there is nothing material described. Seriously... you have to make up the slant you're putting on the text. And still your understanding makes no sense. Doesn't that strike you as illogical?

honestly, this is very embarrassing for you. You dont even know your religions creation myth? You have to have an atheist show you the first chapter of genesis?

Enlightenment is always good Rev. you should be open to the idea that you might be wrong... otherwise how do we all learn. Don't be narrow minded like those fantasy people you revile.

[reverendjeremiah]

What am I doing? This is like arguing over wether Humpty Dumpty was either a chicken egg or a goose egg.

[fr0d0]

Loser