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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:10 pm
A pack of cowboy killers costs 35 fuckin dollars? Now that's robbery....
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:11 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 4:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Not really....
It' s about making citizens into subjects...
But hey - if you like that sorta thing - go for it...
Umm, not quite.
Citizens of Australia and New Zealand are already subjects of Queen Elizabeth 1 of England. She is queen of both Australia and New Zealand and our Head of State .
Here it's mandatory to wear seat belts in cars and animals must also be restrained. It is unlawful to smoke in a car if there is a minor child present (under 18) It is unlawful to strike a child, period.
As far as I'm aware both countries still have rule of law and free elections.
Here our emphasis is on the common good rather than the Ayn Rand/ libertarian attitude of "Fuck you Jack I'm OK"
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:13 pm
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To be fair, rights abrogation arguments are common good objections. I don't think it's going to work, either way. People have been smoking for a very, very long time. It's not just an addiction to nicotine.
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:24 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 5:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A pack of cowboy killers costs 35 fuckin dollars? Now that's robbery....
Well, not really. Most of that goes into general revenue. Pay for part of the medical expenses smokers incur as direct result of their smoking.
Please don't misunderstand me, a far as I'm concerned, smokers may smoke their brains out. As long as I don't have to pay their medical bills. There are already doctors who will refuse to operate on a smoker.
How much is a pack of 20 in the US? I guess the tobacco lobby is still too powerful to allow the US government to increase the price by say $5 a packet?
Bottom line is; smoke and it will probably kill you. In 2003 I realised that if I did not stop smoking , I was going to die . I'd made several attempts before. The difference the last time was I made a committed decision to stop for my own sake. Cold turkey. The hardest thing I've ever done, even harder than giving up drinking.
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:28 pm
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Depends on where you are. Cheap here in kentucky, not reds specifically (though they're relatively cheap). Other states have health taxes added on top, I recall giving a kid in Mass dagger eyes when he rang me up years ago.
6 bucks a pack, 5 if you buy by the carton. Actually, 5 bucks as a sin tax sounds about right, I think they were ten something in boston and that was back when they were still 4/5 bucks down south. Thing about sin taxes, is that the people who intend to use that money to pay for this or that know.... no matter what they say, that the tax won't make the consumer stop. If it did, funding for their things would dry up, and that's not why they look to levy sin taxes.
Obviously that's from an american perspective...we don't have universal healthcare to use as a justification.
I had a weirder experience quitting. It was super easy...then one day, I just bought another pack and started again. I guess I expected it to be difficult, that I would have cravings and whatnot, just didn't pan out that way. I doubt that would be the case were I to give up my drink.
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:37 pm
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(December 9, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: (December 9, 2021 at 4:15 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Not really....
It' s about making citizens into subjects...
But hey - if you like that sorta thing - go for it...
Umm, not quite.
Citizens of Australia and New Zealand are already subjects of Queen Elizabeth 1 of England. She is queen of both Australia and New Zealand and our Head of State .
Here it's mandatory to wear seat belts in cars and animals must also be restrained. It is unlawful to smoke in a car if there is a minor child present (under 18) It is unlawful to strike a child, period.
As far as I'm aware both countries still have rule of law and free elections.
Here our emphasis is on the common good rather than the Ayn Rand/ libertarian attitude of "Fuck you Jack I'm OK"
(Bold mine)
I am most certainly NOT a subject of Elizabeth I. 
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:46 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 9, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: Umm, not quite.
Citizens of Australia and New Zealand are already subjects of Queen Elizabeth 1 of England. She is queen of both Australia and New Zealand and our Head of State .
Here it's mandatory to wear seat belts in cars and animals must also be restrained. It is unlawful to smoke in a car if there is a minor child present (under 18) It is unlawful to strike a child, period.
As far as I'm aware both countries still have rule of law and free elections.
Here our emphasis is on the common good rather than the Ayn Rand/ libertarian attitude of "Fuck you Jack I'm OK"
(Bold mine)
I am most certainly NOT a subject of Elizabeth I.
Boru
Depends where you live. If you are a citizen of Australia or New Zealand , you have no choice, you are a subject of queen Lizzie.
The majority of Aussies want us to become a Republic. It could easily happen within the next ten years
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 5:46 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 9, 2021 at 5:11 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: Umm, not quite.
Citizens of Australia and New Zealand are already subjects of Queen Elizabeth 1 of England. She is queen of both Australia and New Zealand and our Head of State .
Here it's mandatory to wear seat belts in cars and animals must also be restrained. It is unlawful to smoke in a car if there is a minor child present (under 18) It is unlawful to strike a child, period.
As far as I'm aware both countries still have rule of law and free elections.
Here our emphasis is on the common good rather than the Ayn Rand/ libertarian attitude of "Fuck you Jack I'm OK"
(Bold mine)
I am most certainly NOT a subject of Elizabeth I.
Boru
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 6:10 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 5:46 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: (December 9, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)
I am most certainly NOT a subject of Elizabeth I.
Boru
Depends where you live. If you are a citizen of Australia or New Zealand , you have no choice, you are a subject of queen Lizzie.
The majority of Aussies want us to become a Republic. It could easily happen within the next ten years
I was pointing out your numbering error. I’m a subject of Elizabeth II, not Elizabeth I.
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RE: New Zealand - you gotta be this old to have rights.
December 9, 2021 at 6:11 pm
(December 9, 2021 at 5:46 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (December 9, 2021 at 5:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (Bold mine)
I am most certainly NOT a subject of Elizabeth I.
Boru
I KNEW you were old!!
Apparently, I’m a time traveler as well.
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