Irene of Athens: the Christian Byzantine Empress who gouged her own son's eyes.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Irene was a heathen enthusiast in history, and had a deep grudge against her son + a civil war and lifelong rivalry with him, the fate she conspired with other fanatics to inflict on her son was heavily inspired by

As opposed to the Muslims rulers who murdered their children 

Get over your caliphate fetish. This is the aftermath of a Christian vs Heathen war.

Demanding he ignore facts won't help your sad attempt at apologizing for your religions barbairity

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/j...s-attacker



Hypocrite

[Anomalocaris]

Winter’s world view can be summarized as:

Islamic crimes = Islam = good

Non-Islamic crimes = not Islam = bad

Any questions?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's not why the guy got blinded, nor is that why the caliphate was attacking them.  Like I said before, the problem isn't that you don't know shit - but that you can't.  It's not competence, but capability.  

We have the same sort of thing here (and all over the world, really).  People who are simply lost to the human race, and cannot be brought back.  Irene, constantine, the caliphate, none of these actors were interested in goodness or the wellbeing of their fellow man - they were all competing with each other to assert their own brutal means and ends to the same.  A dispute between those who would be kings.  It ended horribly for everyone involved.  Constantine, Irene, the eastern and western empires, catholic hegemony, the caliphate - all dust..and the only difference any of them ever made was in grinding other people to dust as well in the process.

Irene was a heathen enthusiast in history, and had a deep grudge against her son + a civil war and lifelong rivalry with him, the fate she conspired with other fanatics to inflict on her son was heavily inspired by Greek heathen practices:

The punishment has been used since Antiquity;  makes several references to blinding as divine punishment, which reflects human practice.

Get over your caliphate fetish. This is the aftermath of a Christian vs Heathen war.

See how you manage to get every detail wrong at every turn, establishing the problem with every post?  Irene and Constantine were both christians.. Irenes issue with her son being that he was a threat to her building authority, and the issue that the christian authorities had with irene specifically, beside their distaste for any empress, full stop..was that she was an ineffective empress in the face of territorial expansion by the abassid caliphate....and, meanwhile, a very effective alternative to her rule had established themselves in the west (after having won territory from her)...now waging all out war against the ummah and driving it..literally... into the sea.   

But do go ahead.....with your full and comprehensive grasp of the situation....

[WinterHold]

Stealing is a special case. You didn't count the aftermath of the crime correctly:
1-the robbery might include somebody's whole life savings
2-the robbery might include somebody's family sponsoring savings
3-the robbery might include somebody's priceless property left by their parents/relatives/friends

Where is the hypocrisy in cutting the hand of a person who already cut the living of others?
The thieve will still get their freedom in Islam though; unlike secular and heathen unjust systems.

Does the Quran make the distinction between stealing a radio and stealing someone’s life savings? In other words, does the punishment for theft vary based on what was stolen? Even if it did, your case is still very weak - punishing theft via bodily mutilation is savage and barbaric.

And you still haven’t explained why Muslim-practiced barbarism is any different than that practiced by Christians.

Boru

No, but it gives the victims the right to pardon their attackers:

Sura 42, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 40 )   And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers.

It's not up to you, but up to the victim to pardon the thieve.

[no one]

allah is make believe.

[The Grand Nudger]

Here's a simple distillation of the question I have, Winter. Why are you even reading about history, if you're not interested in..well..history? What insight do you hope to derive from it, absent any reference to it?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Does the Quran make the distinction between stealing a radio and stealing someone’s life savings? In other words, does the punishment for theft vary based on what was stolen? Even if it did, your case is still very weak - punishing theft via bodily mutilation is savage and barbaric.

And you still haven’t explained why Muslim-practiced barbarism is any different than that practiced by Christians.

Boru

No, but it gives the victims the right to pardon their attackers:

Sura 42, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 40 )   And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers.

It's not up to you, but up to the victim to pardon the thieve.

‘And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it’ pretty well torches your whole argument.

Furthermore, it reflects Mohammed’s profound misunderstanding of his source material.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think that big mo misunderstood his source material so much as he understood his audience very well, as did his successors. Neither he nor they were judaizers or christianizers..and, obviously, none of them wished to grant or cede authority (let alone territory) to either tradition.

[arewethereyet]

What would be the punishment for you being on this forum @WinterHold ...I know you are ignoring this question for a reason.

What would it be? Would it be fair?

[The Grand Nudger]

Or for the offense of trying to spread his own personal religion anywhere, and calling it islam?