Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yap Yap Yap Defend The Russian Despot 

[Deesse23]

it is immaterial whether it is good or right to invade or destroy a democracy if it is needed to preserve a country’s existential interests,  it almost certainly will happen, just like it is immaterial whether it is right or good for gravity to pull a virtuous person who slipped off a cliff to his death. it will happen.

if a small democracy threaten a large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as a virtuous person slipping off of a cliff will plunge to death.

guess what, if a small democracy for some reason threaten a large democracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as of it threaten a large autocracies nuclear deterrence. 

guess what did not need to happen, but happed because we, good old USA, all edged champion of democracy, thought we see an cheap opportunity to take down russia by nullifying her nuclear deterrence and thought ukraine would be no big loss of it doesn’t work out?

 pushing the independent Ukraine to join nato so as to threaten the large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence.   in fact we did so precisely to threaten russia’s nuclear deterrence. 

and now we bellyache about Russia reacting violently. 

Hate to break this to you, democracy does not give a state carte blanche to do what it wants to threaten the existential interest of its neighbor, even if the neighbor is an autocracy.   Even less does denocracy give a state immunity to the blow back if it willing acts as a pawn in another state’s quest to bring down its own big neighbor,  just as virtue does not confer immunity from gravity. 

so fuck you too.

if you think gravity is not worth discussing because it will pull the virtuous as well as the wicked to their deaths, or it is now worth talking to one who would discuss such a gravity, 

then thank you.

you saved me a few seconds that i might otherwise have wasted on a wish thinking, self-righteous delusional moron.

You not only managed to justify Russia breaching international law by invading a sovereign state, you blamed the USA for doing so.
I bet you are proud of yourself now.

[The Architect Of Fate]

it is immaterial whether it is good or right to invade or destroy a democracy if it is needed to preserve a country’s existential interests,  it almost certainly will happen, just like it is immaterial whether it is right or good for gravity to pull a virtuous person who slipped off a cliff to his death. it will happen.

if a small democracy threaten a large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as a virtuous person slipping off of a cliff will plunge to death.

guess what, if a small democracy for some reason threaten a large democracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as of it threaten a large autocracies nuclear deterrence. 

guess what did not need to happen, but happed because we, good old USA, all edged champion of democracy, thought we see an cheap opportunity to take down russia by nullifying her nuclear deterrence and thought ukraine would be no big loss of it doesn’t work out?

 pushing the independent Ukraine to join nato so as to threaten the large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence.   in fact we did so precisely to threaten russia’s nuclear deterrence. 

and now we bellyache about Russia reacting violently. 

Hate to break this to you, democracy does not give a state carte blanche to do what it wants to threaten the existential interest of its neighbor, even if the neighbor is an autocracy.   Even less does denocracy give a state immunity to the blow back if it willing acts as a pawn in another state’s quest to bring down its own big neighbor,  just as virtue does not confer immunity from gravity. 

so fuck you too.

if you think gravity is not worth discussing because it will pull the virtuous as well as the wicked to their deaths, or it is now worth talking to one who would discuss such a gravity, 

then thank you.

you saved me a few seconds that i might otherwise have wasted on a wish thinking, self-righteous delusional moron.

You not only managed to justify Russia breaching international law by invading a sovereign state, you blamed the USA for doing so.
I bet you are proud of yourself now.

I imagine he is

[Anomalocaris]

it is immaterial whether it is good or right to invade or destroy a democracy if it is needed to preserve a country’s existential interests,  it almost certainly will happen, just like it is immaterial whether it is right or good for gravity to pull a virtuous person who slipped off a cliff to his death. it will happen.

if a small democracy threaten a large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as a virtuous person slipping off of a cliff will plunge to death.

guess what, if a small democracy for some reason threaten a large democracy’s nuclear deterrence, and will not back down, it will be road kill just as surely as of it threaten a large autocracies nuclear deterrence. 

guess what did not need to happen, but happed because we, good old USA, all edged champion of democracy, thought we see an cheap opportunity to take down russia by nullifying her nuclear deterrence and thought ukraine would be no big loss of it doesn’t work out?

 pushing the independent Ukraine to join nato so as to threaten the large autocracy’s nuclear deterrence.   in fact we did so precisely to threaten russia’s nuclear deterrence. 

and now we bellyache about Russia reacting violently. 

Hate to break this to you, democracy does not give a state carte blanche to do what it wants to threaten the existential interest of its neighbor, even if the neighbor is an autocracy.   Even less does denocracy give a state immunity to the blow back if it willing acts as a pawn in another state’s quest to bring down its own big neighbor,  just as virtue does not confer immunity from gravity. 

so fuck you too.

if you think gravity is not worth discussing because it will pull the virtuous as well as the wicked to their deaths, or it is now worth talking to one who would discuss such a gravity, 

then thank you.

you saved me a few seconds that i might otherwise have wasted on a wish thinking, self-righteous delusional moron.

You not only managed to justify Russia breaching international law by invading a sovereign state, you blamed the USA for doing so.
I bet you are proud of yourself now.

Why, one could not be proud if the USA is indeed to blame and one happen to point it out?

One should always blame someone else, especially when someone who could be found upon whom we can easily assign other traits undesirable in our eyes, when we ourselves screw up?

Why I didn’t know president trump taught you so well.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Why, one could not be proud if the USA is indeed to blame and one happen to point it out?

One should always blame someone else, especially when someone who could be found upon whom we can easily assign other traits undesirable in our eyes, when we ourselves screw up?

Why I didn’t know president trump taught you so well.

 
Putin Apologetics 

[Anomalocaris]

Why, one could not be proud if the USA is indeed to blame and one happen to point it out?

One should always blame someone else, especially when someone who could be found upon whom we can easily assign other traits undesirable in our eyes, when we ourselves screw up?

Why I didn’t know president trump taught you so well.

 
Putin Apologetics 

nothing wrong with apologizing for putin when we did so well as to put trump in charge of the other half of the world’s nuclear arsenal.

[The Architect Of Fate]

nothing wrong with apologizing for putin when we did so well as to put trump in charge of the other half of the world’s nuclear arsenal.

Yes because Trump was a dumbass simping for Putin is good 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Putin has now threatened Sweden and Finland with 'military reprisals' if they interfere with his land-grab. There are already tens of thousands of Russian troops along Finland's eastern border.

You just have to dig down about six feet to find them.

Boru

[Deesse23]

You not only managed to justify Russia breaching international law by invading a sovereign state, you blamed the USA for doing so.
I bet you are proud of yourself now.

Why, one could not be proud if the USA is indeed to blame and one happen to point it out?

Just restating your claim is not an argument. You (should) know that

One should always blame someone else, especially when someone who could be found upon whom we can easily assign other traits undesirable in our eyes, when we ourselves screw up?

Deflection, pretty bad one at that

Why I didn’t know president trump taught you so well.

Oh, come on, really?
It cant be more obvious that you know very well how untenable your position is, when you have to resort to that kind of personal attack.

Lets see how invested you are in your invasion apologetics:
According to international law, invasions of sovereign states are illegal, under any circumstances. Russia invaded Ukraine.
Can you say: "Russias invasion of Russia was illegal, and should not have happened", without resorting to whataboutism and other crappy apologetics?

You know, invasion is illegal, just like rape is. Winter got banned for rape apologetics, because he claimed the behaviour of the rape victim must be factored in when evaluating the rape. Are you claiming the behavior of Ukraine has to be factored in when being invaded by Russia?

Ukraine, like any women, has a right to self determination, you know.

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Putin Apologetics 

nothing wrong with apologizing for putin when we did so well as to put trump in charge of the other half of the world’s nuclear arsenal.

There is everything wrong with that. The (non) existence of Trump makes no difference whatsoever in determining how bad of a person Putin is.

[arewethereyet]

Well, it's apparent that some people here think that if the US does something it is wrong and the results are our fault.

If the US does nothing, whatever goes wrong is our fault.

If another country does something, it's still the fault of the US.

Russia is riling shit up...it has to be the fault of the US, amiright?