Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Oops, obviously I made a mistake earlier. I said that Haiti was the first to gain its independence, but of course the US was before that.

In an important way the US was the first to do it and the last to get away with it.

As everyone knows, the War of Independence was fought for Liberty, Justice, and All Good Things. It's important to remember that it was fought largely over who got to control the cotton.

Cotton was an extremely valuable commodity in those days, but the people who profited were those who processed and wove it, not those who grew it. Britain used America as its source for the raw material but refused to allow them the technology or the economic freedom to do the processing. The British wanted the profit for themselves, of course. American producers wanted the extra value gained through processing, so they fought for independence. (This is probably not well known by people who get their history from AmericaFuckYeah.gov.)

Britain was careful not to make the same mistake twice, so when they moved their cotton growing source to Egypt they were careful to control industry there too. No factories or technology to get the value that Britain wanted for itself. If the technology is held down then obviously the economy and consequently education is held down. This is why Napoleon bothered to conquer Egypt and why it remains a poor country. It must not be allowed to develop.

The US did the same to Haiti and many other countries, requiring sources of cheap labor so that rich people in the US could keep the profits for themselves. The Clintons helped. The invasion force that's on its way will maintain this status quo, not help to enrich the people of Haiti.

This is ultimately what the current war is about also. The US requires that no other area be allowed to develop to the point where it can compete. Propaganda, again, insists that the US has nothing to do with this war, that it is only New Modern Hitler trying to enlarge his territory. Very naive people believe this. The governments of Russia and China of course know the history and the policies of the US better than most Americans. Whenever you read propaganda from any of these governments, it's necessary to keep this larger goal in mind.

Your understanding of modern economics is laughably outdated. Pro Tip Developed nations want to be near other developed nations and it's in the interest of developed nations to develop other nations. Hell, even China understands this.....

And yes it's honestly no more complicated than Putin is an autocrat who suffers from delusions he's going to Make Russia Great Again by doing away with pesky democracies on his doorstep. To think otherwise is simply denialism, And no most Russian people and Chinese don't shit about their history that hasn't been filtered through the "ministry of truth" That's why you get Russians who think Stalin wasn't all that bad.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You know, let' jut go ahead and assume that all of the worlds various shadowy elites are serviced by the war in ukraine.

So what?

Why limit it to the world? Aliens are people too! We -- uh, I meant they, they -- have shadowy elites as well.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Remember the propaganda lexicon, though: "gangsters" means groups opposed to US hegemony, "freedom fighter" means groups supporting US hegemony. 

lol every country in the world that's tried to pwn any other country has used that language in pursuit of their own aims.

If you weren't so deliberately ignorant, your naivete might be cute. But as matters stand, I think everyone but yourself can see your bias. Not just afraid to answer tough questions, you're afraid of the mirror as well.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You know, let' jut go ahead and assume that all of the worlds various shadowy elites are serviced by the war in ukraine.

So what?

Why limit it to the world? Aliens are people too! We -- uh, I meant they, they -- have shadowy elites as well.

The world is run by the Jewish Stone Mason  Illuminati Communist Space lizard lead by Bill Gates and George Soros and Cyborg Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Remember the propaganda lexicon, though: "gangsters" means groups opposed to US hegemony, "freedom fighter" means groups supporting US hegemony.

Nope Gangster is someone who participates and profits from organized crime and a freedom fighter is someone who actually fighting make sure their country does not fall under the control of an autocrat. This has nothing to do with US hegemony nor is it propaganda it's simply true....

[Belacqua]

[Fake Messiah]

[The Architect Of Fate]

G9 group has engaged in Extortion, Kidnapping, Human Trafficking, Illegal Arms Dealing, Drug Trafficking, and Forced Prostitution....Etc

[awty]

[The Architect Of Fate]