Russia and Ukraine

[The Architect Of Fate]

Good well-documented summary here of why the US wanted this proxy war.

https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1894295533520355597

The Swedish journalist Patrik Oksanen considers Diesen to be "part of the Russian propaganda machinery."[7] Aage Borchgrevink of the  said that Diesen has "an important role in RT as the Western expert, which gives legitimacy to what clearly appears to be the Kremlin's version [...] his writings are unreliable, the factual basis is doubtful, and characterized by the content and form of Russian propaganda, as expressed in RT and Sputnik."

Boru

It's always a Russian propagandist

In 2020, Diesen wrote an op-ed in Aftenposten with convicted felon and former KGB agent Arne Treholt, that stated that Russia has "legitimate interests and security needs" and said that Russia was unfairly demonized as a security threat.[24] The paper's former foreign affairs editor Kjell Dragnes wrote that Diesen and Treholt promoted Russian propaganda.[8]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Whatever develops out of these appeasement talks, I can easily envision a new NATO excluding the US and led by France.

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

Whatever develops out of these appeasement talks, I can easily envision a new NATO excluding the US and led by France.

Boru

Me too it's NATO needs a new leader

[Mister Agenda]

I forgot to add another point about the comparison between what happened now and in Munich in 1938:

In Russia, Gorbachev is considered to be a Chamberlain-like figure, who naively accepted false promises in exchange for "peace in our time." 

He was promised that in exchange for the peaceful reunification of Germany, NATO would never expand even one inch to the east. This was promised by Helmut Kohl, James Baker, and Robert Gates. 

However, as soon as the next President got into office the promise was broken. 

So the Russians have learned that the US doesn't keep its promises.

Wouldn't that promise (can't find a formal agreement on that) have been made to the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation?

[Mister Agenda]

At this point in history, NATO would be better off without the USA. If they have enough spine to boot us, I hope they have enough forgiveness to take us back after we've come to our senses.

[The Architect Of Fate]

In Russia, Gorbachev is considered to be a Chamberlain-like figure, who naively accepted false promises in exchange for "peace in our time." 

He was promised that in exchange for the peaceful reunification of Germany, NATO would never expand even one inch to the east. This was promised by Helmut Kohl, James Baker, and Robert Gates. 

However, as soon as the next President got into office the promise was broken. 

So the Russians have learned that the US doesn't keep its promises.

Wouldn't that promise (can't find a formal agreement on that) have been made to the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation?

Because there was no written legally binding agreement that NATO would deny sovereign states the right to seek protection from potential Russian aggression

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Wouldn't that promise (can't find a formal agreement on that) have been made to the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation?

Because there was no written legally binding agreement that NATO would deny sovereign states the right to seek protection from potential Russian aggression

Not to mention - but I’m going to anyway - the fact that Russia is signatory to a charter that recognizes the right of countries to choose their own security arrangements and alliances.

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

At this point in history, NATO would be better off without the USA. If they have enough spine to boot us, I hope they have enough forgiveness to take us back after we've come to our senses.

The thing is, there's no expulsion clause in NATO's charter, and changing the charter requires, apparently, a unanimous vote.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Because there was no written legally binding agreement that NATO would deny sovereign states the right to seek protection from potential Russian aggression

Not to mention - but I’m going to anyway - the fact that Russia is signatory to a charter that recognizes the right of countries to choose their own security arrangements and alliances.

Boru

There's also the Minsk Accords, wherein both US and Russia are bound to provide for Ukraine's security. Of course Bel doesn't mention that.

[Deesse23]

I hope you're not getting the bulk of your information from X.  If so, you're a complete moron.

Nope, hes getting them directly from his russian troll farm. I am getting more convinced that he is a paid russian troll. Nobody is possibly spreading such blatant falsehoods by accident or sheer stupidity.