How many of you would punish religious people for being religious?

[arewethereyet]

Try having, as a woman, both breasts removed and then go into a clothing store. Find a swim suit that's not built for holding breasts...good luck with that. Most dresses and shirts are also designed for women with breasts.

Remove a man's penis and he can still go buy a pair of pants and no one's the wiser.

I spent a lot of time and anguish figuring out that not having my breasts really didn't change who/what I am.

If, in fact, the basic thing that make a man is a penis and what makes a woman breasts and a uterus...things are really screwed up.

[tackattack]

I can't try that because I don't have breasts. I can empathize, but not sympathize. It sounds like you had a hard fight divorcing your breasts from your identity as a woman, due to societal norms of clothing sales. I'm glad that you and I, despite not having the same walk, can reach the same conclusion that having breasts, a uterus or a penis don't make or break your identity as a whole. I was only commenting because it's that very struggle anguish) you went through that highlights how intrinsic physical body parts are to our own personal identity. It is a part of most of our identities in part, and there are a lot of people out there that don't introspect enough to have more than that one definition of what being a man/woman means. I think discussing it helps people introspect on that definition, and I hope I didn't offend you.

Have a wonderful evening and thanks for the dialogue

[Losty]

Deal. My penis doesn't make me a man anymore than not having one would make me a woman. It does indicate that I'm male, and being male is part of my definition for what a "man" is defined as. It's not the only part, and it's not even the most important part. Who you are and what you are are 2 different things. You are who you believe you are, who you were, who you want to be, who you want to represent AND who others see you as. What you are is pretty normative at homo sapien.
It wasn't an attack AWTY, just a conversation. I'm not trying to be argumentative.
Colloquially though I feel the majority of people (since heteronormative is the majority currently) reduce the definition of man to the most basic agreed definition. Is that not the case?

I feel like the group that defines “man” as whoever happens to define themselves as a man is growing quickly.