Leaked Supreme Court Decision signals majority set to overturn Roe v. Wade

[JairCrawford]

The fact that you didn't anticipate a guy like Trump after Obama shows you don't understand the problem with the Democratic Party as it exists today. Trump's election was a direct result of Obama's ultra-moderate agenda and lack of any genuine "change" that he promised on the campaign trail. Hillary Clinton was seen as an extension of the ultra-moderate agenda people took issue with, and so voters (stupidly) thought electing an "outsider" like Trump would result in real change - of course in America we have no inkling of class consciousness, so electing a billionaire was not at all electing an outsider, but whatever. I don't know where this idea of Americans preferring moderate policies comes from. It's just not true. People want legitimate change and most voters do not have strong favorable opinions of either parties, but rather see one party as better than the other.

And the same thing that happened in 2016 will happen now, with abortion rights, as people correctly point out that the Democrats have not attempted to do anything about it.

I knew a Republican would likely get the White House in 2016 after a two-term Democrat, I just thought Trump was too extreme and clownish to get the win, but a lot of small factors (plus the one big factor Republicans galvanized to turn out after 8 years of Obama) aligned to get him in office despite his opponent geting millions more votes than he did. It could easily have gone the other way, that was one of the things that was so frustrating about it. The only thing the Democrats dropped the ball on was some of them (like me) thinking there was no way an asshat clown like Trump could beat Clinton and voting for alternate candidates (one of the small factors that aligned in Trump's favor).

I don't know why so many people can't seem to absorb the fact that the majority of Democrats are moderates. The same thing happened in 2020, many progressives were sure a moderate like Biden couldn't win the primaries, let alone the presidency. I know the feeling, when I was a Libertarian I really thought Ron Paul had a shot in 2012, but I was in a bubble with too many Libertarians in it.

Fiscally moderate. The majority of Democrats may not all align with the left on all social issues, but generally even the moderate Democrats are more open to being liberal on social issues. Fiscal issues… not so much. At least, if the polls I looked at are accurate. Liberal fiscal policy is lagging behind liberal social policy support overall according to polls.

Roe V. Wade fits squarely in the social issue category, though. So one thing conservatives can’t do with this is try to run with the socialism boogeyman argument.

[Rev. Rye]

Idea to potentially challenge any anti-abortion laws: create an anti-natalist religion and sue any jurisdiction that tries to ban abortion and challenge those laws on First Amendment grounds.

[GUBU]

The fact that you didn't anticipate a guy like Trump after Obama shows you don't understand the problem with the Democratic Party as it exists today. Trump's election was a direct result of Obama's ultra-moderate agenda and lack of any genuine "change" that he promised on the campaign trail. Hillary Clinton was seen as an extension of the ultra-moderate agenda people took issue with, and so voters (stupidly) thought electing an "outsider" like Trump would result in real change - of course in America we have no inkling of class consciousness, so electing a billionaire was not at all electing an outsider, but whatever. I don't know where this idea of Americans preferring moderate policies comes from. It's just not true. People want legitimate change and most voters do not have strong favorable opinions of either parties, but rather see one party as better than the other.

And the same thing that happened in 2016 will happen now, with abortion rights, as people correctly point out that the Democrats have not attempted to do anything about it.

I knew a Republican would likely get the White House in 2016 after a two-term Democrat, I just thought Trump was too extreme and clownish to get the win, but a lot of small factors (plus the one big factor Republicans galvanized to turn out after 8 years of Obama) aligned to get him in office despite his opponent geting millions more votes than he did. It could easily have gone the other way, that was one of the things that was so frustrating about it. The only thing the Democrats dropped the ball on was some of them (like me) thinking there was no way an asshat clown like Trump could beat Clinton and voting for alternate candidates (one of the small factors that aligned in Trump's favor).

I don't know why so many people can't seem to absorb the fact that the majority of Democrats are moderates. The same thing happened in 2020, many progressives were sure a moderate like Biden couldn't win the primaries, let alone the presidency. I know the feeling, when I was a Libertarian I really thought Ron Paul had a shot in 2012, but I was in a bubble with too many Libertarians in it.

If the majority of Democrat voters are moderates why do the party's candidates have s tendency to run well to the left of the way they govern? I think you'll find that the party's voters are most enthused when their candidate makes all the progressive noises or is an actual progressive and lose hope if, after being in office, the candidate turns out to be just another corporate shill.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[Aegon]

The fact that you didn't anticipate a guy like Trump after Obama shows you don't understand the problem with the Democratic Party as it exists today. Trump's election was a direct result of Obama's ultra-moderate agenda and lack of any genuine "change" that he promised on the campaign trail. Hillary Clinton was seen as an extension of the ultra-moderate agenda people took issue with, and so voters (stupidly) thought electing an "outsider" like Trump would result in real change - of course in America we have no inkling of class consciousness, so electing a billionaire was not at all electing an outsider, but whatever. I don't know where this idea of Americans preferring moderate policies comes from. It's just not true. People want legitimate change and most voters do not have strong favorable opinions of either parties, but rather see one party as better than the other.

And the same thing that happened in 2016 will happen now, with abortion rights, as people correctly point out that the Democrats have not attempted to do anything about it.

I knew a Republican would likely get the White House in 2016 after a two-term Democrat, I just thought Trump was too extreme and clownish to get the win, but a lot of small factors (plus the one big factor Republicans galvanized to turn out after 8 years of Obama) aligned to get him in office despite his opponent getting millions more votes than he did. It could easily have gone the other way, that was one of the things that was so frustrating about it. The only thing the Democrats dropped the ball on was some of them (like me) thinking there was no way an asshat clown like Trump could beat Clinton and voting for alternate candidates (one of the small factors that aligned in Trump's favor).

I don't know why so many people can't seem to absorb the fact that the majority of Democrats are moderates. The same thing happened in 2020, many progressives were sure a moderate like Biden couldn't win the primaries, let alone the presidency. I know the feeling, when I was a Libertarian I really thought Ron Paul had a shot in 2012, but I was in a bubble with too many Libertarians in it.

Like I said, Trump winning made perfect sense to anyone who was paying attention to Obama's faults.

People can't absorb that fact about moderate Democrats because it's objectively false. The majority of Democratic voters support policies that are seen as more "progressive" by the mainstream, corporatist liberal wing of the party. Take Medicare-for-All as an example; 54 percent of Democrats favor a single-payer system ala Bernie Sanders' proposal and 33 percent support a public option. However, the Dem establishment is not interested in tackling either of those ideas. Why not? At the end of the day, Democrats DO NOT represent Democrat voters well. As the poster above me also pointed out, there's a reason they pretend to be more progressive on the campaign trail and then tell everyone to go fuck themselves once they get in office. Another reason not to entertain their bullshit anymore, as that tactic only works because we allow it to.

People think of themselves as moderate, but "moderate" means nothing in today's society, and most people do not actually hold "moderate" political philosophies. When you ask voters how they see themselves, it's not a politics survey, it's a psychology survey. Because "moderate" implies being rational and level-headed, and they do not see themselves as extremists of any kind. Not to mention that politics in America is officially about cultural issues, with economic issues being left in the dust. The traditional method of analyzing how people feel about politics and the parties is fundamentally flawed, in my view.

[Aegon]

LMAOOOO

Manchin to oppose Democratic bill guaranteeing abortion access

What good is a Democrat majority when you have Democrats who are this aggressively """""""""moderate."""""" Party leadership campaigns for him and sends him DNC despite it all though. Pelosi is also campaigning for the only explicitly pro-life Dem left in the House too (Cuellar). But yeah, they want your vote this November!

[Mister Agenda]

You're right, Aegon, I should have said conservatives and moderates combined are (slightly) over half of Democrats.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ic-voters/

[The Grand Nudger]

As has often been noted..one of the flaws in the idea that progressives in the us are the root cause of some failure, is that both american political parties are right wing. One is meh okay right wing..the other is holy shit right wing. Bernie Sanders, AOC, Elizabeth Warren. There are your moderates.

Their message is no more radical than "hey, a little less rape and pillage, if we please?" Aside from that, the entire american political establishment is all about taking us back to the good old bad old days - current admin included. That was both of their pitches.

[JairCrawford]

LMAOOOO

Manchin to oppose Democratic bill guaranteeing abortion access

What good is a Democrat majority when you have Democrats who are this aggressively """""""""moderate."""""" Party leadership campaigns for him and sends him DNC despite it all though. Pelosi is also campaigning for the only explicitly pro-life Dem left in the House too (Cuellar). But yeah, they want your vote this November!

Not surprised. Manchin knows WV has a very anti-abortion electorate. He knows a vote for codification will hurt his 2024 bid. His favorability ratings in WV after all his recent shenanigans have gone UP majorly in the state.

It’s extremely frustrating.

[onlinebiker]

Wha.. Wha... WHAT????

Having a ( D ) after your name doesn' t make  a politician an angel who votes YOUR conscience???


I'm stunned....


Positively stunned..

Next thing you know you will tell me everything on the internet isn' t true!