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Republicans Represent the People
March 30, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Quote:"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity. "
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 30, 2011 at 9:09 pm
By all means, let's see what Void's Libertarian fuckwad pals have to say on one of these subjects.
http://www.dehnbase.org/lpus/library/platform/fac.html
Quote:A child is a human being and, as such, deserves to be treated justly. We oppose laws infringing on children's rights to work or learn, such as child labor laws and compulsory education laws.
Isn't that just fucking special? Children have a RIGHT to be oppressed by capitalist scumbag exploiters.
How very righteous of the bastards.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 30, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I disagree with them here, consenting to trade is only applicable to adults, not children - An adult can agree to any terms and conditions they like, a child lacks the ability to so with the same knowledge of the consequences.
Whether or not it should be the parents or a blanket ultimatum that dictates child working conditions is another issue, I'm leaning towards it being the responsibility of the parents to ultimately decide the terms that their child, if they wish to work, should do so under - This of course has the previsions that the parent is not allowed to force or coerce the child into working, it has to ultimately be the choice of the child to seek labor. And keep in mind, when we speak of 'child' it's really teenagers.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 30, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Cocksuckers. The lot of 'em.
Oh wait... that's not an insult anymore is it? 
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 30, 2011 at 11:03 pm
cocksuckers is not an insult. No.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 31, 2011 at 1:33 am
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2011 at 1:35 am by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
Well, it seems that the more republicans that win in elections, the closer that American can reach the height of the pentultimate freedom and small government that American was made for:
A Plutocracy.
Their changes (read: enormous cuts) to education, child labor laws, the right to collective bargaining, will allow a new working class... "serfs" if you will to have the ultimate freedom. The kind of freedom they're forced into by the wealthy.
Libertarians will love it once the government has no power to protect its citizens from the absolute worst of capitalism.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 31, 2011 at 1:44 am
Capitalism > Corporatism.
The 'cuts' to education is namely moving control largely back to states.
The Ron Paul libertarians are against the control over unions, those moves were made by the big govt republicans, he's spoken out against those moves in numerous interviews already.
I disagree with any repeals to Child labor laws other than those that would make the parents ultimately responsible. Children simply do not count amongst the consenting adults that should be free from intervention in the choices they freely make.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 31, 2011 at 2:16 am
(This post was last modified: March 31, 2011 at 2:20 am by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
The cuts to education is going to leave the states, with all their rights, with far more uneducated people. Not because they choose to be uneducated, but because private institutions are beyond their price range.
Without a good state-to-state standard (something public schools have), you also get nasty "benefits" of some states deciding that things like creationism is science and therefore should be taught in a classroom.
Hey - it's their right, after all, and whose to say that the US government should tell Texas not to teach that the earth revolves around the Sun?
Regulated Capitalism > Capitalism
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am
State education=/= private education.
How do you get from "States have more control" to "less people are educated" - That seems like a complete non-sequitur.
Teaching creationism would still be unconstitutional no? Allowing states to set standards within the legal sphere, have more control over spending, more control for teachers, parents and communities wouldn't change that, what it would do is make spending more transparent, more cost effective and give parents, teachers etc more say in what goes on.
Why should your government get to dictate beliefs to everyone else, be they right or wrong? And even if you wanted a single government mandate such as "you must teach what is currently espoused by the consensus of experts in the relevant field to get funding" there would be no other reason to usurp power.
Regulated Capitalism = Interfering in the consensual trade of adults = Opportunities and motivations for corruption = Corporate welfare = Tainted markets = debt.
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
March 31, 2011 at 9:07 am
(March 30, 2011 at 9:23 pm)Dotard Wrote: Cocksuckers. The lot of 'em.
Oh wait... that's not an insult anymore is it?
I lament that oral sex on men has gotten such a bad rap in our society.
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