Job

[Nay_Sayer]

How is that I managed to reap breast cancer?

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

FSM wept.  Oof.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

How is that I managed to reap breast cancer?

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

(Bold mine)

So God punishes the undeserving? This is brand new information!!

Boru

[Nay_Sayer]

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

So God punishes the undeserving? This is brand new information!!

Boru

Oh no, He's one of the sort that uses demons as scapegoats.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So God punishes the undeserving? This is brand new information!!

Boru

Oh no, He's one of the sort that uses demons as scapegoats.

Kind of like the mafia don who green-lights the hit but doesn’t pull the trigger.

Boru

[brewer]

How is that I managed to reap breast cancer?

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

OMFG, you know nothing about medical science. Do demons cause all deleterious medical conditions?

So let me ask, do demons cause fetal abnormalities, a fetus that has no knowledge of a god and has no relationship?

[Nay_Sayer]

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

OMFG, you know nothing about medical science.

Just wait until he starts a thread about the earth being flat.

[The Grand Nudger]

How is that I managed to reap breast cancer?

"You reap what you sow" is what God wants to establish on earth, I never said that in the modern day this is what we get. I don't believe that you did something to earn breast cancer or that this comes as some form of "punishment". I don't know what your history is and I would never feel comfortable saying that all suffering is deserved.

Job didn't deserve to suffer either.

I think that more than likely a demon gave you breast cancer knowing it would ruin your relationship with God. 
There was an ex-Satanist turned pastor who once told a story about how his father passed away when he was still in his twenties, this man grew up in the church but chose to become a practicing devil-worshiper because of his father's un-timely demise. After his conversion it was revealed unto him, through the holy spirit, that the devil took his dad's life in order to drive him towards pagan religious practices. The devil has power over this Earth and as I said earlier I suspect that the vast majority of unfair suffering is deliberately caused by him. 

This was satan's purpose for Job after all, "but stretch out your hand now and touch all that he has and he will curse you to your face."

You mean a liar.  You've been listening to a liar tell tall tales in the genre of satanic panic.  Meanwhile, you've got a guy right here telling you that and worse - and it didn't turn me into a devil worshipper.  Is satan about as competent as god in this regard, which is to say not at all??  Didn't work on job either, did it, fwiw.

[The Architect Of Fate]

God created Satan and didn't slay him when he rebelled so no everything is still gods fault (if he existed) also god created freewill so any decision made using freewill is gods fault (if he existed) sorry he doesn't get to be the creator and avoid the responsibility when things go wrong.

[Belacqua]

Hey guys, I'm new here but I was encouraged by a few members to start my own topic so hopefully this is okay even though I just got here.

For my first topic I would like us to discuss the book of Job as it is one of my favorite books of the Bible. For me personally I have always viewed suffering as a necessary thing that tests and proves our values and convictions. But I also find that the problem of suffering is often the biggest obstacle to faith for many people. It is such a personal thing, how can a loving God allow for an innocent man to suffer? How is it that he could allow for some of the worst things to happen to some of the best people?

So simply put, this thread is dedicated to the problem of suffering in our belief system but to make the topic a little more specific (and interesting) I would also like to get your guys views on the story of Job specifically.

Probably you know, there's a brief story in the New Testament with a message that might be similar.

Luke 4 Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam collapsed on them: Do you think that they were more sinful than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”…

These 18 people died from bad luck, but were not more sinful than anybody else. 

In the early part of the Old Testament, it seems to say that if you are good and follow God's laws, you'll have a long and prosperous life. That changes at the Book of Job, which is a kind of hinge toward a very different meaning. 

Good people can and do suffer. By the time we get to the New Testament, Jesus is saying that God loves these people more than the rich and prosperous. It looks a lot like a reversal from the earliest message.

[arewethereyet]

Well, hell, I guess I should have gone to an exorcist instead of doctors.

What a crock.