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The issue of Sin
#21
RE: The issue of Sin
This is a little beyond my level of understanding. Yet, mystics will define God as the cause and source of everything that permeates the entire universe. It cannot be understood by reason. It can only be known by direct experience (Don’t ask me I won’t go into this here Smile ).
Hindu Mystics will say that there are and have been more than one universe. But the number of God (as in “The” God who is the source of everything) is singular in most religious traditions. The “Other Gods” are like his characteristics or his features. In later mythology systems this “One God” became the all-father (Norse) or the Zeus in Greek mythology. So he became anthropomorphized. (I don’t know if you are following) Smile .
“At least in Christianity, we believe that God remedies the fallen condition by participating in it.”
I believe that as well.
The term “Religion” comes from Latin and means “religare” that is “to reestablish the connection of man to his true inner nature” (or to God, if you prefer it that way). / This is also the way many mystics will chose to express it. God is not an external supra-cosmic phenomenon but something that can be called our true self that comes from our very creation.
And the Serpent and the description of this world is also correct. Again, I won’t go deep into it. But there is an issue of forgetting our true nature. In Christianity it is described as a “loss of innocence” and “being banned from the garden of eden”. So the allegory is present in this teaching also.
In conclusion: There are ways of “remembering” and there are ways of correcting our mistakes and to be more in tune with what I call “our true nature”.
- But these are all mystical terms. (not technical prescriptions Smile )
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#22
RE: The issue of Sin
Cool story......but I have question. If the subject of religion is "our nature".....what do we need gods for..again?
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#23
RE: The issue of Sin
As for me I am reminded that after recieving a vision, Thomas Aquinas said that all his works were as straw. IDK, having experienced the mystical myself I can say they have a self-evident veracity that is similar to laws of thought; however, they were never strong enough to prompt a major lifestyle change. Nevertheless I occationally reflect on them to put things into perspective. For example, one of my experiences centers around an intuitive acceptance of the paradox that my life is both cosmicly insignificant and yet having vital import. Perhaps this is a bit like contemplating my "true nature" as a microcosom, which is a very common hermetic notion.

@Leonardo17, I do not think people who appreciate mysticism, not as woo or nonsense,but as a way of exploring and relating to the unknowable,...such people will never be a high percentage of the religious because religion is about communal worship and mysticism is very private.
<insert profound quote here>
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#24
RE: The issue of Sin
(September 29, 2022 at 6:25 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is that...like..a law of the cosmos that god has to follow..Neo?  There can be only one!

.....is that what happened to all the other gods.......?

If you are using a plural form, In Hinduism these “Devas” and “Devis” (Gods and Goddesses) are to be seen as the aspects of the one true reality. So (maybe) it is more simple for them to direct their prayers to that specific deity according to their needs. They also work as concepts. It probably makes it easier for them to have discussions on spiritual issues.
If you are talking about The Deity and mystical terms, that Being is also thought to be our true essence that is omnipresent in each mean at deeper levels beyond our superficial Ego-personalities (Or at least this is how the issue is being described in almost all mystical traditions). So re-establishing that connection with our true self is important because it’s something that will help us to function in a much better way in this moment in this lifetime. (Again, this is how the issue is being described in many mystical traditions).
Neo-Scholastic:
   There are some theories that come from some prominent Indian Yogi’s that say that mankind is experiencing a certain shift in consciousness since the end of the 17th and the beginning of the 20th century. Old values and old ways of seeing things (especially in spiritual issues) are shifting. Things like Yoga or tai-chi for instance is no longer seen as a form of paganism but is being now taught in some primary schools and universities. We, the people of my generation, have a different way of seing and doing things. We speak several languages, we have access to the internet, we read a lot, we follow discussions on Youtube and Spotify (and more similar technologies are yet to come. Perhaps in the future, books will be free of charge and anyone will be able to read anything freely with an app on their smartphones). In ancient times people didn’t even leave their villages. Books were terribly expensive and were the luxury of some few wealthy and powerful people. There was no museum, concerts and theatre plays were for the aristocrats, Art and paintings were for the wealthiest people. In fact the overall understanding of life was of a brief physical existence that was likely to end in 30 years or so before dying of war or disease. And the afterlife was seen as a physical place (just do the research on this subject) were you would have food, women, gold etc. for eternity (What a madness by the way).
   Today we talk about non-material concepts in spirituality. To dogmatic religions even this is a blasphemy. Dogmatic persons would tell you that I am committing blasphemy as soon as I would start describing what is my vision of heaven and hell. In fact, some 30/40 years ago (people told me) there were even preachers in mosques who claimed that the Americans were lying when they claimed to have descended on the moon since the moon was made of the light of God (“Nur” in Arabic) and it was therefore impossible to land on it. I think you see what my point is Smile
   So my theory is that this is going to gradually change during this century. The mechanic repetition of some rituals and the unconscious reading of some religious material is simply useless. This century’s men and women need more than this. So I believe that the percentage of what I call “consciously spiritual persons” is going to gradually increase. But dogmatism and even fanaticism will still be present. But, as I said, there will be a tipping point in which this is not going to be the norm anymore. I thing that toward the end of the 21st century, we will be at least 40 % and at some point, they will become the minority.
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