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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 6, 2022 at 2:45 pm
Murder by vote.
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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 6, 2022 at 3:05 pm
Hyperbole by indoctrination (and a lack of time working in care with such patients, AKA esoteric ignorance) - you know I value your smarts on many matters TGN.
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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 6, 2022 at 3:40 pm
It seems to me like there are less perilous ways to handle this…not just for patients, but for care providers as well. Our drivers licenses can say whether we’re organ donors..perhaps they should also have an option for dnr and this issue that concerns you?
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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 6, 2022 at 3:42 pm
(October 6, 2022 at 1:31 pm)Duty Wrote: Here's logic 101 on this one then for you then Boru: If 95% (or even 55%, not that such an absurdly low rate is plausible, but rather for the sake of argument) of people say they'd far rather die than be rendered permanently (in all likelihood) utterly paralysed, double-incontinent and unable to eat, drink or communicate in any way, it is fair to decide that helping such patients to die rather than fitting a peg and tube feeding them as the default position, is the correct and moral way to behave, if they have not explicitly stated they would want to live on in such a condition in a living will.
Fine, then withdraw supportive feeding for THOSE people. It’s the 5% that concern me. You simply can’t end a life (even a life of such heart-wrenchingly low quality) without the express consent of the person involved.
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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 6, 2022 at 6:20 pm
(This post was last modified: October 6, 2022 at 6:28 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(October 5, 2022 at 8:56 am)Duty Wrote: I just sent this email to Dignity In Dying. Is this a runner? What say ye?
Quote:Dear fellow Dignity in Dying supporter,
My name is ***** and I'm a care worker living in ********, England. I work with many patients who are unable to communicate and are functionally paralysed. These people are kept alive in perpetuity through being tube fed. Of course, none of them had living wills.
It seems likely to me that 99% if not 100% of people who are aware and familiar with such patients and are also aware of advance care directives/living wills, would choose to have "treatment" (feeding) withdrawn so that they could die with dignity, rather than exist for decades in a paralysed, uncommunicative, pleasureless and hopeless nightmare.
I want to be involved in a campaign which champions this cause, called perhaps "Withdrawing Treatment Via Democracy" or similar.
Any advice, pointers or feedback will be gladly received.
Kind regards and solidarity,
***** *****
“Ye” say nay.
To say otherwise would be to say it is right to enshrine the principle that a vote by those have no particular knowledge of the unusual can deprive anyone who possesses something unusual of his possession. The unusual in your case is a life that is still treasured by an owner who is paralyzed and unable to communicate.
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RE: Removing treatment by democratic consensus as default (living wills)
October 7, 2022 at 5:51 pm
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(October 6, 2022 at 3:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4(even a life of such heart-wrenchingly low quality) Wrote: Boru
I think you mean an unspeakable nightmare - unable to even scratch an itch.
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