[Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part IV: the noodle effect.

[Angrboda]

And coming in out of nowhere to cross the finish line is our mystery runner, Niblo.

[LinuxGal]

Black holes, according to the No Hair Theorem, have only three attributes:   Mass, charge, and spin.
So I expect to see those attributes in the Quran.

That's because you haven't looked hard enough.  Besides, all black holes are descended to evaporate via Hawking Radiation; what does that say?

It says your god needs to build a better hell that lasts longer.

[Niblo]

And coming in out of nowhere to cross the finish line is our mystery runner, Niblo.

Nice one! 😂

[WinterHold]

The verse you cited says that the offender is to be inserted in a chain 70 cubits long (and, contrary to what you claim, while the length of the cubit in Arabic culturesvaried, values for it are known - a chain 70 cubits long would be a maximum of just over 330 feet. This, coming after 69:30, indicates that one is to be wrapped in a chain. This is manifestly different from being stretched out (spaghettified) by the tidal forces of a black hole.

You’re very stupid.

Boru

Yes; but the cubit of "what" exactly? a human or an angel ?
This what ancient scholars wondered about. Eventually the general opinion was that "it is the cubit of an unknown being". 

It can be uncountably long.

Actually, you're the stupid one. Black hole's scorching hot event horizon comes before the Noodle Effect; which matches the verse order of penalty:

1-roasting in fire (burning in the Event Horizon)
2-endure insertion in the chain of unknown length ( aka Spaghettification).

[WinterHold]

As I mentioned in previous topics; I have reached a conclusion that "hell" in the Quran matches the description of black holes.

Black holes, according to the No Hair Theorem, have only three attributes:   Mass, charge, and spin.
So I expect to see those attributes in the Quran.

Let me recall the verses I know about hell.

1-It can be moved (which indicates it must produce a charge, movement = charge):

Sura 89, The Quran:
https://quran.com/89?startingVerse=23&translations=85

(23) when Hell is that Day brought near- on that Day man will take heed, but what good will that be to him then?

2-It has a mass (It has 7 gates):

Sura 15, The Quran:
https://quran.com/15?startingVerse=44

(43) Hell is the promised place for all these,
(44) with seven gates, each gate having its allotted share of them.

3-what do you mean by "spin"? like "rotates"?
I didn't find any verse about hell's rotation.

But since it can be moved, then it might spin too.

[WinterHold]

There is peril is micro-exegesis.  

Islamic scholars declare that the Qur’an explains itself.

The context in our case is the Last Judgement; and the fate of those who are condemned because of their disbelief, and their actions.

The Sūrah in question (‘Al-Haqqa’) states:

‘But anyone who is given his Record in his left hand will say, “If only I had never been given any Record and knew nothing of my Reckoning.  How I wish death had been the end of me.  My wealth has been no use to me, and my power has vanished.” ‘Take him, and shackle him (faghullūhu), lead him to burn in the blazing Fire, and bind him in a chain seventy cubits (dhirāʿan) long: he would not believe in Almighty Allāh, he never encouraged feeding the hungry, so today he has no real friend here, and the only food he has is the filth that only sinners eat.’ (ʾĀyāt 25-37).

A dhira is an arm’s-length.  In classical Arabic, ‘seventy’ is used metonymically to denote ‘many.’  In these ʾāyāt, it implies a large number, known only to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla).

The command to shackle, and to bind in a chain, is given to the angels who govern Hell.

Consider the following:

‘(Prophet), do you see how deluded those who dispute God’s messages are – those who reject the Scripture and the messages We have sent through Our messengers?  They will find out when, with iron collars (l-aghlālu) and chains around their necks, they are dragged into scalding water, and then burned in the Fire, and asked, “Where now are those you called upon besides Allāh?”’ (Ghafir: 69-74).

And this:

‘So do not think (Prophet) that Allāh will break His promise to His messengers: He is mighty, and capable of retribution.  One Day – when the earth is turned into another earth, the heavens into another heaven, and people all appear before God, the One, the Overpowering – you (Prophet) will see the guilty on that Day, bound together in fetters.’ (Ibrahim: 47-49).

The message is clear (and has nothing whatsoever to do with black holes): Those who are condemned to Hell will be shackled and led to their fate in a chain-gang.

I don't follow or take the explanations of the Sunni/Shiite institutions, especially the Hadith-based explanations.

[WinterHold]

Black holes, according to the No Hair Theorem, have only three attributes:   Mass, charge, and spin.
So I expect to see those attributes in the Quran.

That's because you haven't looked hard enough.  Besides, all black holes are descended to evaporate via Hawking Radiation; what does that say?

Who said hell's inmates are in it for eternity?
They might be tortured for billions of trillions of years, until they evaporate eventually.

It is left to God, see this verse:

Sura 11, The Quran:
https://quran.com/11?startingVerse=106&translations=17

(106) So, as for the ones who are wretched, then they will be in the Fire; therein there will be for them groaning and sighing.

(107) Eternally therein (abiding) so long as the heavens and the earth (endure), except whatever your Lord decides; surely your Lord is The Sublime Performer of whatever He wills.

[Jehanne]

That's because you haven't looked hard enough.  Besides, all black holes are descended to evaporate via Hawking Radiation; what does that say?

Who said hell's inmates are in it for eternity?
They might be tortured for billions of trillions of years, until they evaporate eventually.

It is left to God, see this verse:

Sura 11, The Quran:
https://quran.com/11?startingVerse=106&translations=17

(106) So, as for the ones who are wretched, then they will be in the Fire; therein there will be for them groaning and sighing.

(107) Eternally therein (abiding) so long as the heavens and the earth (endure), except whatever your Lord decides; surely your Lord is The Sublime Performer of whatever He wills.

If you end-up in one of the Christian hells, you will be there "forever & ever".

[Niblo]

There is peril is micro-exegesis.  

Islamic scholars declare that the Qur’an explains itself.

The context in our case is the Last Judgement; and the fate of those who are condemned because of their disbelief, and their actions.

The Sūrah in question (‘Al-Haqqa’) states:

‘But anyone who is given his Record in his left hand will say, “If only I had never been given any Record and knew nothing of my Reckoning.  How I wish death had been the end of me.  My wealth has been no use to me, and my power has vanished.” ‘Take him, and shackle him (faghullūhu), lead him to burn in the blazing Fire, and bind him in a chain seventy cubits (dhirāʿan) long: he would not believe in Almighty Allāh, he never encouraged feeding the hungry, so today he has no real friend here, and the only food he has is the filth that only sinners eat.’ (ʾĀyāt 25-37).

A dhira is an arm’s-length.  In classical Arabic, ‘seventy’ is used metonymically to denote ‘many.’  In these ʾāyāt, it implies a large number, known only to Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla).

The command to shackle, and to bind in a chain, is given to the angels who govern Hell.

Consider the following:

‘(Prophet), do you see how deluded those who dispute God’s messages are – those who reject the Scripture and the messages We have sent through Our messengers?  They will find out when, with iron collars (l-aghlālu) and chains around their necks, they are dragged into scalding water, and then burned in the Fire, and asked, “Where now are those you called upon besides Allāh?”’ (Ghafir: 69-74).

And this:

‘So do not think (Prophet) that Allāh will break His promise to His messengers: He is mighty, and capable of retribution.  One Day – when the earth is turned into another earth, the heavens into another heaven, and people all appear before God, the One, the Overpowering – you (Prophet) will see the guilty on that Day, bound together in fetters.’ (Ibrahim: 47-49).

The message is clear (and has nothing whatsoever to do with black holes): Those who are condemned to Hell will be shackled and led to their fate in a chain-gang.

I don't follow or take the explanations of the Sunni/Shiite institutions, especially the Hadith-based explanations.

That is for you.

[LinuxGal]

The chain that the inmate of hell will be inserted in is the "Noodle Effect" of black holes.
So scary to imagine that this is why God warned humans of hell. Black holes have the scorching fire in the event horizon's Unruh radiations, has the long stretching chains expected due to the Noodle Effect.

Read up on the Equivalence Principle   An inmate of hell will not notice anything when he crosses the event horizon. The firewall only shows up if information is not destroyed by a black hole.  If information is destroyed, then there's no firewall.  You'd have to solve the black hole information paradox to rule one way or the other.  Even Stephen Hawking and Lenny Susskind couldn't agree on that.