(January 16, 2023 at 5:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(January 16, 2023 at 3:26 am)WinterHold Wrote: The council agreed that Jesus is "begotten out of the essence of God":
BTW this is the base difference and rivalry between Islam & Constantine's Christianity:
- While Arius argued that Jesus Christ was created out of nothing or out of something else, the council affirmed that he was begotten out of the substance (essence) of the Father.
Islam = Jesus was created from human essence just like any other human.
Constantine Christianity= Jesus is a God-like with the essence of God flowing in his veins. Jesus = God, thus Jesus = the father; thus trinity.
That council was nothing but a heathen opinion of a heathen emperor -Constantine- that protected this blasphemy with Roman Centurions.
Since the Council predates Islam, the blasphemy (at least as regards the begetting of Jesus) goes the other way: The Quran is nothing but the heathen opinion of a heathen warlord - Muhammad - that protected this blasphemy with soldier fanatics.
Boru
You see; that's the problem: you're "localising" Jesus; making him a preacher with another brand, while I totally believe that Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Aron...etc, are all messengers preaching the same idea; working for the same boss -God-:
https://www.worldhistory.org/Moses/
The Quran says more obviously:
Quote:Sura 23, The Quran:
https://quran.com/23?startingVerse=44
(44)Then We sent Our messengers in succession: whenever a messenger came to his people, they denied him. So We destroyed them, one after the other, reducing them to ˹cautionary˺ tales. So away with the people who refuse to believe!
(45) Then We sent Moses and his brother Aaron with Our signs1 and compelling proof
(46) to Pharaoh and his chiefs, but they behaved arrogantly and were a tyrannical people.
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(49) And We certainly gave Moses the Scripture, so perhaps his people would be ˹rightly˺ guided.
(50) And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and gave them refuge on high ground—a ˹suitable˺ place for rest with flowing water.
(51) O messengers! Eat from what is good and lawful, and act righteously. Indeed, I fully know what you do.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
They all serve the same lord; preach the same message.
Sinful heathens like emperor Constantine, Sunni/Shiite Islamic Hadith founders tried to shatter the message of Monotheism, they all used the same repetitive tactic of twisting the source, and diverting the faith from glorifying God Monotheistically to glorifying prophets, Imams, priests,etc.
Result? look at the Crusades.