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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 4:17 pm
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It would be about a months wage for a laborer - but judas was no laborer. Judas was a theif. Crime has a long history of not paying. Thematically, it echoes the frustrations voiced all throughout the ot, that thievery was central to the plight of gods nation, and gods anger. It's pretty well constructed, imo. The pettiness and tragedy of it is supposed to stick out, and it does.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 5:11 pm
(February 18, 2023 at 4:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It would be about a months wage for a laborer - but judas was no laborer. Judas was a theif. Crime has a long history of not paying. Thematically, it echoes the frustrations voiced all throughout the ot, that thievery was central to the plight of gods nation, and gods anger. It's pretty well constructed, imo. The pettiness and tragedy of it is supposed to stick out, and it does.
I was basing the figure solely on the silver content of the coins.
And, for the record, crime pays phenomenally well. Always has, always will.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 7:54 pm
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I don't believe SDA theology teaches that Jesus' mission was dependent on Judas' betrayal. I vaguely remember encountering this theme before. If I come across a source I'll link it.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 8:05 pm
(February 18, 2023 at 7:54 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I don't believe SDA theology teaches that Jesus' mission was dependent on Judas' betrayal. I vaguely remember encountering this theme before. If I come across a source I'll link it.
Jesus knew what was motivating Judas, yet failed to reject him as an apostle. That’s a pretty strong indication Jesus believed that Judas was pre-ordained to betray him.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 8:30 pm
(February 18, 2023 at 8:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Jesus knew what was motivating Judas, yet failed to reject him as an apostle.
An important variable here is that people already wanted Jesus dead, irrespective of Judas' betrayal. I don't see how removing the betrayal would have affected the crucifixion, other than the timing of it.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 8:35 pm
Breezy, you need to watch Jesus Christ Superstar.
Besides being a fun movie with some great music...the Judas story is all spelled out.
And King Herod is a scream.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 18, 2023 at 9:08 pm
(February 18, 2023 at 8:30 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (February 18, 2023 at 8:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Jesus knew what was motivating Judas, yet failed to reject him as an apostle.
An important variable here is that people already wanted Jesus dead, irrespective of Judas' betrayal. I don't see how removing the betrayal would have affected the crucifixion, other than the timing of it.
According to the story, the authorities didn’t know what Jesus looked like (hence the literary device of a betrayer). Jesus had to be betrayed to make the myth work. If it hadn’t been Judas, there would have been some other pre-ordained rat.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 19, 2023 at 6:42 am
Jesus can’t even commit suicide without needing a middleman.
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 19, 2023 at 2:14 pm
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(February 16, 2023 at 10:12 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Judas is proverbially a bad guy of the NT, so what would have happened if he didn't betray Jesus? Would Jesus' mission be a (bigger) success or would it be a failure?
Provided that Jesus and Judas actually existed for this to have been a question even worth asking.
Otherwise it would similar to “what if Snow White didn’t like red apples?”
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RE: What if Judas didn't do it?
February 19, 2023 at 3:44 pm
(February 18, 2023 at 9:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: According to the story, the authorities didn’t know what Jesus looked like (hence the literary device of a betrayer). Jesus had to be betrayed to make the myth work. If it hadn’t been Judas, there would have been some other pre-ordained rat.
I'm not sure I follow. What is the relationship between the authorities not knowing what he looked like, and Jesus needing to be betrayed to make the myth work?
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