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Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
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RE: Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
(July 8, 2023 at 12:22 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Design is an argument against the gods. First we know that life exists in all kinds of environments, including hydothermal vents and there are a number of organisms called "extremophiles" They can grow in VERY diverse places. 

Second if your god were a real god, it could make life happen in any circumstance, not just in your designed environments. 
Apparently your god seems to be constrained to making life happen in a narrow range.

Sorry I meant to add this. 
There is no need to invoke design in the evolution of DNA/RNA. 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK63...in%20world.
Order arises spontaneously in this universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
If it was "designed" why did your designer do such a piss-poor job ? Why are mutations possible in your divine code that permit the suffering and death of babies ? 
Did your designer not know how to do a half-decent job in the first place ?
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#52
RE: Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
(July 8, 2023 at 7:30 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(July 8, 2023 at 12:22 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Design is an argument against the gods. First we know that life exists in all kinds of environments, including hydothermal vents and there are a number of organisms called "extremophiles" They can grow in VERY diverse places. 

Second if your god were a real god, it could make life happen in any circumstance, not just in your designed environments. 
Apparently your god seems to be constrained to making life happen in a narrow range.

Sorry I meant to add this. 
There is no need to invoke design in the evolution of DNA/RNA. 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK63...in%20world.
Order arises spontaneously in this universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
If it was "designed" why did your designer do such a piss-poor job ? Why are mutations possible in your divine code that permit the suffering and death of babies ? 
Did your designer not know how to do a half-decent job in the first place ?

I’m not remotely a god, and even I could design a better-functioning universe than the one we’ve got.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#53
RE: Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
Does it actually matter to you if we weren’t designed? If you discovered that we weren’t, would you abandon your faith in christ?
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RE: Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
(June 17, 2023 at 3:53 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: That the Genetic Code in DNA is Evidence of the Intelligent Design of human (and other living) beings can be shown by a simple syllogism:

1. Codes are always evidence of design.
2. The genetic code in DNA is a code.
3. Therefore, the genetic code in DNA is evidence of design.

P2 is false so your argument fails. We refer to it as a code in common usage but it is no such thing.

Instead let me ask you why humans have 97% of the same ERV (retroviral fossils in our DNA) that chimps do. Save ERV with the same mutations, the same leader and trailer sequences, embedded in the same locations in our genomes. Did your good lord feel the need to embed monkey cooties in our genes in very mysterious ways?
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RE: Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.
Yeah, saying that DNA is a code is like saying that the Rocky Mountains are a map.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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