Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life?

[zebo-the-fat]

Same, hanging from an ice axe over a 300 foot drop, trying very hard to keep it being a NEAR death experience

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I wonder why people don’t report NDEs when they’re nearly in a car crash, or their parachute nearly doesn’t open, or they’re nearly shot in the head. In each these and many other situations, people are ‘near death’.

The fact that NDEs only occur when the brain is on the verge of being shut down by the failure of other organs seems to strongly indicate that these experiences are brain-based, not soul-based.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Actually, a huge amount of reported ndes occur when the subject is not, in fact, in any danger whatsoever.

[no one]

You're forgetting most hooman peepels aren't actually thinkers. Logic is far beyond their 2 watt bulb's capabilities.

[brewer]

Veridical NDEs are NDEs (Near Death Experiences) where the Individual Patient who is unconscious or near-death sees clearly actual events we know to be happening in the Physical World. For e.g. he or she sees (while unconscious) Doctors operating on him with an actual instrument they used which he did not know about, but which he later tells them, and is found to be objectively accurate. Sometimes, blind people see the physical world with color and light. Again, it has happened that people have seen God and Heaven, and even younger siblings who died before they were born who they did not even know they had, until they met them in the After-Life, then confirmed with their shocked and surprised Parents actually and objectively existed. Don't these provide, at least, Strong Evidence against the Materialistic/Physicalist views that there is nothing in the universe and the human being other than mere matter? They sound precisely like what Classical Theism has always referred to as the Soul:

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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Actually, a huge amount of reported ndes occur when the subject is not, in fact, in any danger whatsoever.

One would think that being near death constitutes a danger in and of itself.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Sure, but..again, people report things that they think are ndes even when they are not near death. Death could be in a different zipcode entirely, and people still report them. The bionuerological hypothesis is, therefore, unlikely to account for the phenomena in it's entirety. It seems clear that a good deal of reported ndes and especially their contents are psychological (laying aside the vast majority that are complete fiction - the op lead in with stories that kids tell).

[brewer]

Anyone notice that NX fails after the first, OK maybe a couple posts?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Sure, but..again, people report things that they think are ndes even when they are not near death.  Death could be in a different zipcode entirely, and people still report them.  The bionuerological hypothesis is, therefore, unlikely to account for the phenomena in it's entirety.  It seems clear that a good deal of reported ndes and especially their contents are psychological (laying aside the vast majority that are complete fiction - the op lead in with stories that kids tell).

Then those aren't - by definition - NDEs.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

Personal experience: heart stopped for nearly two minutes after a riding accident (some have seen the scar).

Just blackness.

Nothingness.

No white light.

No dead relies.

Nothing.

Nada.

Zilch.