My Revelation

[Ravenshire]

Tbh I haven't really been following, except inasmuch as seeing you filling the gap left by Huggy, starting thread after thread about gay and gender issues. If you're not gay or transgender, why not just let people be? You think it's immoral, others don't, so why not just leave it to God to judge?

Well, some of us are would be happy to live and let live but we are not the ones cheating high school girls out of sport scholarships and sterilizing minors.

Are you really as stupid as this statement makes you appear?

[Ravenshire]

You don't need to have been there.  It's a simple yes or no.  Either God didn't change his mind, and it's still okay to kill homosexuals, or he did change his mind.

I thought that god was infallible?

And unchanging. At least, that's what metric fuck-tons of christers have told me.

[The Grand Nudger]

It hardly matters whether a god changes it's mind. If a christian says that god isn't telling them to be an asshole - that's fantastic....gods off the hook.

So what's their problem? Why are they being such a fucking weirdo about it?

[Bucky Ball]

The opinion of the Jesus Seminar is one of many opinions put forth by biblical scholars. You can choose to accept their opinion if you like, but they are definitely not authoritative. Actually, nobody alive was there with Jesus, so nobody can "prove" what he said.

And that would include the gospel writers/editors. They were not there either.  
However, they're far more authoritative than you are.

[Deesse23]

Morality? You think homosexuality is immoral?

I'm torn. As for now I'll leave that up to the individual and God. I can't make that judgement.

You dont know if homosexuality is immoral? You avoid having to think and decide by "leaving it to the individual and god"? What if god calls it to be immoral? Do you still love those immoral people?
What about gods commanmend in the OT to kill them homos? Your evasion of "im not under the old convneant" is not really a good way out of your fulfilling responsibility for your fellow human beings. You still follow the Ten Commandmends of the OT, dont you? If you love them homos and God wants to kill them, then you should ask God for a meeting to discuss, dont you think? Or would you stop loving them IF you had to follow Gods orders and kill them? Or would you keep loving them AND kill them just to please the Don?

Arent you able to think for yourself? Arent you embarrassed about your own ineptitude (or unwillignness) to decide whats right or wrong? DO you have no empathy for your fellow humans which you not so long ago claimed to "love"?

You are pretty indecisive and indifferent for soemone who claims to "love" someone else. Do you actually know what love is, apart from the sick and twisted version your religion teaches you? Dont you see how skewed your moral compass is, right now, and dont you know why?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Based on what I’ve seen so far of the kinder, gentler Lek, I’m a little underwhelmed. Hey-ho.

Boru

[emjay]

I'm torn. As for now I'll leave that up to the individual and God. I can't make that judgement.

You dont know if homosexuality is immoral? You avoid having to think and decide by "leaving it to the individual and god"? What if god calls it to be immoral? Do you still love those immoral people?
What about gods commanmend in the OT to kill them homos? Your evasion of "im not under the old convneant" is not really a good way out of your fulfilling responsibility for your fellow human beings. You still follow the Ten Commandmends of the OT, dont you? If you love them homos and God wants to kill them, then you should ask God for a meeting to discuss, dont you think? Or would you stop loving them IF you had to follow Gods orders and kill them? Or would you keep loving them AND kill them just to please the Don?

Arent you able to think for yourself? Arent you embarrassed about your own ineptitude (or unwillignness) to decide whats right or wrong? DO you have no empathy for your fellow humans which you not so long ago claimed to "love"?

You are pretty indecisive and indifferent for soemone who claims to "love" someone else. Do you actually know what love is, apart from the sick and twisted version your religion teaches you? Dont you see how skewed your moral compass is, right now, and dont you know why?

To be clear, to the extent that his response may or may not be in response to my post...

[...]You think it's immoral, others don't, so why not just leave it to God to judge?

...I think my post was a bit ambiguous in hindsight. Ie by 'others don't', I meant people with other views on morality distinct from Christianity, as opposed to from within the context of Christianity. Though the latter of course would also be an issue, for instance with gay Christians - of which I was once one, and thus once had to grapple with those issues from within the context of Christianity - but just making clear that that was not what I was referring to here.

[h4ym4n]

Pretty clear. He's telling the Israelites to put practicing homosexual men to death. Why?  I'm don't know. I'm not under the old testament law and I certainly don't want to execute homosexuals for sleeping together. I don't even want to make it illegal. We can't legislate morality.

But you are under *some* of the OT law, right. 
In Matthew, Jesus told the young man who asked him what he had to do to gain eternal life. 
"Keep the commandments". 
He also never said anything about a "new law" or new covenant.
In fact he specifically said there would be no new covenant.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 5:17-18 Paul made up the "new covenant".

You cherry pick what you want from the OT, and what you don't. 

There were no "homosexuals" in the OT. The concept (of orientation) didn't arise until the 19th Century. 
What you're doing has a name. You're committing "Presentism". It's a "thing" in History. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism..._analysis)

Booooom!

[h4ym4n]

Nowhere in the new testament is this contradicted nor is it eclusivily referring to Israelites, And thank you for providing more proof you pick and choose in terms of the bible.

The Jewish law was specifically for the Israelites. Paul made it clear in Romans that we are no longer under the old Jewish law.

That’s not what the son of your gang leader says. 

You know that jot and tittle thing?

Jesus has more say than Paul right lek?

[h4ym4n]

So God changed his mind about killing f**gots?

I wasn't there at the time.

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You weren’t there for “ let there be light” either or when jebus was nailed.