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[Serious] Opinions on paganism?
#41
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 4:58 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 9:29 am)Angrboda Wrote: Why not?

I did post the definition for review.

... and upon further review, nothing in that definition said that the supernatural cannot be perceived.

(November 5, 2023 at 5:28 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 5:19 pm)Angrboda Wrote: The definition gave no reason why they are not detectable.

They're outside the realm of natural science and therefore chimera.

Begging the question, ten yards and loss of down.

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#42
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 5:58 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 4:58 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: I did post the definition for review.

... and upon further review, nothing in that definition said that the supernatural cannot be perceived.

(November 5, 2023 at 5:28 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: They're outside the realm of natural science and therefore chimera.

Begging the question, ten yards and loss of down.
LOL
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#43
RE: Opinions on paganism?
By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#44
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

That was my point.
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#45
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

You wouldn't understand until you've had a supernatural experience yourself, then you would at least question whether or not it was real.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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#46
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

There's a lot of supposition here, which, granted, is understandable given the subject matter. But my point remains that the definition GZ provided doesn't actually support the claim made. Further, if as you say the supernatural is not perceptible, anything said by anyone about the supernatural is supposition.

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#47
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

We don't detect things, we recognize the interaction between things and other things. Nothing about the supernatural prevents it from interacting with other things, your claim notwithstanding. When Jesus healed the leper, the supernatural was interacting with the natural world, in spite of your claim which contradicts most prior accounts of the supernatural.
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#48
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 8:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

You wouldn't understand until you've had a supernatural experience yourself, then you would at least question whether or not it was real.

You know there's no proof of such an experience other than the reporting party, yes?
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#49
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 8:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 7:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: By definition, supernatural object or entities are not part of the natural world. That means that not being subject to natural laws, they should not be able to interact with natural phenomena. They wouldn’t reflect light, or emit sound, or be affected magnetism, gravity, radiation, or any of the thousands of other aspects of the natural world.

It seems that anything detectable would be part of the natural world. If something was truly supernatural, how could it be detected?

Boru

You wouldn't understand until you've had a supernatural experience yourself, then you would at least question whether or not it was real.

No. 
You "interpreted" the experience as such. Your subjective interpretation is conclusive of nothing. 
Every religionist on the planet interprets an experience with reference to their god. 
It's meaningless.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

Militant Atheist Commie Evolutionist 
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#50
RE: Opinions on paganism?
(November 5, 2023 at 8:23 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(November 5, 2023 at 8:03 pm)Ahriman Wrote: You wouldn't understand until you've had a supernatural experience yourself, then you would at least question whether or not it was real.

You know there's no proof of such an experience other than the reporting party, yes?

Yeah, why would that matter?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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