Is the suffering worth it

[Angrboda]

@Angrboda

I'm using nihilism in a way it seems it can be used from Wikipedia and IEP.  That may be an unconventional usage.  Regardless, its how I mean it.  If you think my POV is better labelled as something else, I'm open to hearing alternatives.

I've only glanced at the two sources, but your usage doesn't appear consistent with either. If you feel it is, please quote the relevant portion.

[FrustratedFool]

"Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; from Latin nihil 'nothing') is a family of views within philosophy that rejects generally accepted or fundamental aspects of human existence,[1][2] such as knowledge, morality, or meaning.[3][4] ...

There have been different nihilist positions, including that human values are baseless, that life is meaningless, that knowledge is impossible, or that some set of entities does not exist or is meaningless or pointless.[5][6] ...

In popular use, the term commonly refers to forms of existential nihilism, according to which life is without intrinsic value, meaning, or purpose.[18] Other prominent positions within nihilism include the rejection of all normative and ethical views (§ Moral nihilism) ... the stance that no knowledge can or does exist (§ Epistemological nihilism), and a number of metaphysical positions...

Cosmic nihilism is the position that reality or the cosmos is ... significantly unintelligible and that it provides no foundation for human aims and principles.[3] Particularly, it may regard the cosmos as distinctly hostile or indifferent to humanity.[100]

Epistemological nihilism is a form of philosophical skepticism according to which knowledge ... is unattainable for human beings.

Existential nihilism is the position that life has no intrinsic meaning or value.[3] With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without purpose ... The meaninglessness of life is largely explored in the philosophical school of existentialism, where one can create their own subjective meaning or purpose. In popular use, "nihilism" now most commonly refers to forms of existential nihilism.

Moral nihilism, also called ethical nihilism, is the meta-ethical position that no morality or ethics exists whatsoever; therefore, no action is ever morally preferable to any other .. if (morality) does exist, it is a human construction and thus artificial, wherein any and all meaning is relative for different possible outcomes.

All from wiki

[FrustratedFool]

I'll try and bold the key phrases that relate to my POV ... not easy on phone. Will have to just select out key phrases if it's still not clear why I think I fit under the term.

[Angrboda]

Please do, because personal meanings by being individual are neither generally accepted nor fundamental.

[Ahriman]

It's complicated. You would know if you had seen what I've seen.

You haven't suffered a day in your life. At least not compared to me.

You can always find someone who suffers more than you. It's not a game. "Suffering" is inherent to life, and the types of suffering and the degrees of it vary across people, cultures, and time. We can play a game where we try to out-suffer the other to determine who has truly had it worse, or you can drop the idea entirely.

I'm confused about your "shame" posts. What is your definition of shame? Why would you enjoy feeling shameful?

It's a sexual thing. I get off on the idea of being ashamed, in a sexual context.

[Aegon]

You can always find someone who suffers more than you. It's not a game. "Suffering" is inherent to life, and the types of suffering and the degrees of it vary across people, cultures, and time. We can play a game where we try to out-suffer the other to determine who has truly had it worse, or you can drop the idea entirely.

I'm confused about your "shame" posts. What is your definition of shame? Why would you enjoy feeling shameful?

It's a sexual thing. I get off on the idea of being ashamed, in a sexual context.

Have fun finding out what your mom did to get you to be into that

[FrustratedFool]

Please do, because personal meanings by being individual are neither generally accepted nor fundamental.

I've edited it down to just the bits I agree, or substantially agree, with.

[Angrboda]

Please do, because personal meanings by being individual are neither generally accepted nor fundamental.

I've edited it down to just the bits I agree, or substantially agree, with.

The parts you've left in say nothing about subjective meaning in the sense that would apply to the question you were answering.

[FrustratedFool]

I can't recall what was said, but do you believe there is anything in what I've left that would be inconsistent with what I said?

[FrustratedFool]

It’s hard to understand why most nihilists don’t simply curl up and die.

Boru

Why?