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Why are you (still) a Christian?
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Good thing no one needs QM to know religious concepts are nonsense.
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RE: Why are you (still) a Christian?
September 19, 2023 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2023 at 10:18 pm by Bucky Ball.)
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
![]() Militant Atheist Commie Evolutionist (September 19, 2023 at 10:17 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(September 19, 2023 at 9:24 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: What? Are you truly surprised that it takes wisdom to understand profound things and some fools get it wrong? Like the way fools justify nonsense by appealing to principles of quantum mechanics. There is one thing a Jewish scholar "teased out", of Genesis, which I consider wise. In "Good and Evil" Part II Martin Buber talks about his concept of "evil". A lot of Christians have been pointed to his "I And Thou" by their leaders, and I don't remember thinking is was compelling). But when talking about evil he makes an interesting connection and says where the (mostly missed) concept of evil in Genesis comes from, which was, as with a lot of Babylonian myth content in Genesis, directly from the Babylonian creation myth and mostly from the "Marduk Slays the Dragon of Chaos". Chaos and Order" is what Genesis is talking about. That's one thing I can agree was wise, even though as most of the Bible myth, was syncretic "borrowing". Paul Tillich (20th Century Theologian) agrees with him in "The Courage To Be".
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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September 20, 2023 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 4:24 pm by FrustratedFool.)
I'm an ex-Christian. My prayers weren't answered when I was a Christian. I never saw any of the promised miracles, healings, angels, prophecies, signs, wonders, visions, etc when I was a Christian. I never saw anyone else have them either. That failed set of promises was part of why I lost the faith.
I guess I'm interested to see if some Christians really recueved what was promised, or if they just over-interpreted normal life to not have to deal with the issue of God's silence. I don't really have a sinister ulterior motive. I am biased, and skeptical, and I dislike religion, but I think I'm upfront with all that. I expect a part of me wants Christians experiences and evidence to turn out to be weak and feeble so as to better justify my apostasy to myself. I guess another part of me wants some truly outstanding, convincing evidence that God and the supernatural is real and give me hope that I too could have my prayers answered. Another part of me just wants to talk out of curiosity. Another part wants to mock out of bitterness. There's likely other more hidden motives in the mix too. But all of that is a given and normal, I think. RE: Why are you (still) a Christian?
September 20, 2023 at 4:58 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 5:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 20, 2023 at 3:14 pm)tackattack Wrote: I'm not sure there is anything I could do that would threaten God. -and yet, you tell us that this is exactly what you did and you claim that your god responded to it. Mystifying, really. This is why people have enduring questions. Because the answers we get from one breath to the other never make a lick of sense. If you believed, or wanted us to believe, that you couldn't actually do this and didn't think it could work - then why tell a story about doing this and having it work? Further...if you really believed this sort of shit wouldn't work wouldn't you..then, even if those events you described before actually happened - and I'm sure they didn't- come to the conclusion that they were unrelated..not because you're a skeptic, but because you don't think that's how god works? Which version of your belief do you want us to accept as genuine and accurate? The first, the second, or the third - where your beliefs are genuinely incoherent?
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RE: Why are you (still) a Christian?
September 20, 2023 at 5:09 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 5:29 pm by Bucky Ball.)
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
![]() Militant Atheist Commie Evolutionist (September 20, 2023 at 3:14 pm)tackattack Wrote:(September 19, 2023 at 8:50 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: So your god acts when he is threatened. Got it.I'm not sure there is anything I could do that would threaten God. So yesterday at 9:23 am when you wrote: "Made a list of eevery single horrible thing I did, and was done to me, and everything I deemed bad in no particular order, just as I remembered them. I threatened God to prove this was His will and why" that didn't really happen. Got it.
The question is would you get your prayers answered at the same rate no matter who or what you prayed to? What's the hit/miss ratio? Is it statistically significant deviation from expected results if the occurrences were completey random?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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