Atheist Evangelism

[The Grand Nudger]

Whereas I don't have a negative view of religion, but sure enough anything christian does seem concerning and harmful. Christian universalism is concerning because of it's christianity, not it's universalism or it's religiosity. We must have already known that, though, choosing it as a subset for demonstration - just as I chose religious humanism on the other end.

I don't even know what the point of bickering about whether socially unacceptable versions of an ideology are benefitted by socially acceptable versions of the same is supposed to be. Maybe they don't have to, but they do.

[Angrboda]

If a talented person invests their time becoming a preacher or apologist rather than scientist or poet because of the influence of universalist xtianity, that's a harm.

If someone gives money to the church rather than a better cause, that's a harm.

If fundamentalist xtians draw upon apologetic arguments created by universalists, that's a harm.

Atheists can suck, but atheism is neutral.  Religion is always false and immoral and harmful in some way.  That's the difference.  The world would be better off without religion.

But let's compromise on one idea: the world would be better off with no religion except universalist progressive xtianity.  Fair?

Your points above only hold true if you assume religion harmful a priori. That's begging the question.

Always harmful? So soup kitchens are harmful? Being happy is harmful?

[FrustratedFool]

No. I explained the harm - the loss of talent, the loss of money. That is the harm.

No. Soup kitchens aren't harmful. But they don't require religion.

[Angrboda]

No.  I explained the harm - the loss of talent, the loss of money.  That is the harm.

No.  Soup kitchens aren't harmful.  But they don't require religion.

It's only a loss because you define religion as bad you're using circular logic to justify your stand.

Soup kitchens needn't require whatever justification for them exists. They justify whatever rides on its coattails. And religions and religious are more charitable.

[The Grand Nudger]

An even simpler elaboration. In response to boyfucking, the rcc points to soup kitchens or daycares. Heavily subsidized soup kitchens and daycares run by boyfuckers...

Acceptable versions of a shitty religion (for novel values of acceptability) don't -have to- benefit from purportedly better versions of the same..but they do.

[FrustratedFool]

Are you saying that preaching the bible is better than being a scientist or teacher or historian or a doctor for civilisation? I assume that preaching the bible is useless at best.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And religions and religious are more charitable.

The military recruits too.

[The Grand Nudger]

Religions and the religious are emphatically not more charitable. They make flashier and more absurd reports about their charity. The most charitable organizations on the planet by orders of magnitude are the very same secular governments who subsidize the religions the nuts perform for...a charity unto itself.

The "charity" that those nuts are reporting is..mostly.....them giving their money to prosperity gospel grifters. It's not exactly surprising that non-nuts are less charitable by the metrics of "did you give joel osteen any money this week/month/year".......

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No.  I explained the harm - the loss of talent, the loss of money.  That is the harm.

No.  Soup kitchens aren't harmful.  But they don't require religion.

I know of a lot of fiendishly talented religionists. If you think about it, so do you.

Boru

[FrustratedFool]

No.  I explained the harm - the loss of talent, the loss of money.  That is the harm.

No.  Soup kitchens aren't harmful.  But they don't require religion.

I know of a lot of fiendishly talented religionists. If you think about it, so do you.

Boru

Many. That's why having their talents go into bible preaching is such a terrible waste. Not to mention the resources that go into the bible schools and Sunday schools and religious colleges etc. Great harm to civilisation. Think where we'd be if all the talented religionists throughout history had used their intelligence and skill in medicine and science and engineering and art rather than theology. Shame.