How many of you atheists believe in the Big Bang Theory?

[brewer]

I'm still conducting my smell test.

Do you smell?

Are you referring to the Dad feet/nose joke?

[HappySkeptic]

I posed the following question to ChatGPT: "Is it possible for spacetime curvature to produce a redshift?"

Here's what it responded with (note - errors with copy/paste formatting fixed):

Yes, spacetime curvature can produce a redshift in the context of general relativity. This effect is known as gravitational redshift, and it arises due to the warping of spacetime caused by the presence of mass and gravity.

In the presence of a massive object, such as a star or a massive galaxy, spacetime is curved. When light travels through this curved spacetime, its path is altered, and the frequency of the light changes. As a result, the observed wavelength of the light is shifted, and this shift is toward the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum.

The gravitational redshift (z) can be quantified using the formula:

z = Δλ/λ0 = GM/(c²R)

where:

• z is the redshift,
  
• Δλ is the change in wavelength,
  
• λ0 is the initial (rest) wavelength of the light,
  
• G is the gravitational constant,
  
• M is the mass of the gravitating object,
  
• c is the speed of light, and
  
• R is the distance from the center of the massive object.
  

The greater the mass of the object and the closer the observer is to it, the larger the gravitational redshift. Gravitational redshift has been experimentally verified and is an essential aspect of general relativity. It has practical implications, such as in the study of the redshift of light from stars near massive objects, like black holes.

Thoughts?

The problem is that you don't understand the answer.

ChatGPT got this right, but it isn't a mind-reader.  It has no idea what you "really meant" with your question.  It is explaining that when going through a gravity well, light changes frequency and bends in the curved spacetime.  It doesn't mean it "keeps" that frequency shift when it comes back out of the gravity well.

[neil]

I posed the following question to ChatGPT: "Is it possible for spacetime curvature to produce a redshift?"

Here's what it responded with (note - errors with copy/paste formatting fixed):

Thoughts?

The problem is that you don't understand the answer.

ChatGPT got this right, but it isn't a mind-reader.  It has no idea what you "really meant" with your question.  It is explaining that when going through a gravity well, light changes frequency and bends in the curved spacetime.  It doesn't mean it "keeps" that frequency shift when it comes back out of the gravity well.

Perhaps I don't understand the answer & who is a mind reader? I've stated, on other forums, that I myself am not a mind reader & I take it you're not a mind reader, either?

Anyhow - 2 things:

1. Is it your contention that we (our galaxy, solar system, Earth) is neither in a gravity well nor in some sort of similar effect (some sort of gravity wells within gravity wells arrangement)?

2. I posed the following question to ChatGPT in the same session: "Does redshift due to a gravity well remain after it leaves the well?"

Here was its response:

Yes, the redshift due to a gravity well, known as gravitational redshift, persists even after light leaves the gravitational field. Gravitational redshift is a consequence of the warping of spacetime caused by the presence of mass and gravity. As light travels through a gravitational field, its path is affected by the curvature of spacetime, leading to a change in frequency and wavelength.

The formula for gravitational redshift (z) is given by:

...[same as before]...

This formula indicates that the redshift is directly proportional to the mass of the gravitating object and inversely proportional to the distance from the object. As light travels away from a massive object, the gravitational redshift decreases with distance, but it doesn't completely disappear.

The concept of gravitational redshift is an integral part of general relativity and has been experimentally confirmed in various settings, including observations of light from stars passing close to massive objects like the Sun. The redshift observed in such scenarios remains present even after the light has left the gravitational field.

Do you agree with this response from ChatGPT, and/or do you think there are any lack of understanding or mind reader issues? (I don't mind being told that I don't understand, or that I'm wrong about anything - I don't take offense to it and I welcome it. )

[HappySkeptic]

1. Is it your contention that we (our galaxy, solar system, Earth) is neither in a gravity well nor in some sort of similar effect (some sort of gravity wells within gravity wells arrangement)?

2. I posed the following question to ChatGPT in the same session: "Does redshift due to a gravity well remain after it leaves the well?"

Here was its response:

Yes, the redshift due to a gravity well, known as gravitational redshift, persists even after light leaves the gravitational field. Gravitational redshift is a consequence of the warping of spacetime caused by the presence of mass and gravity. As light travels through a gravitational field, its path is affected by the curvature of spacetime, leading to a change in frequency and wavelength.

The formula for gravitational redshift (z) is given by:

...[same as before]...

This formula indicates that the redshift is directly proportional to the mass of the gravitating object and inversely proportional to the distance from the object. As light travels away from a massive object, the gravitational redshift decreases with distance, but it doesn't completely disappear.

The concept of gravitational redshift is an integral part of general relativity and has been experimentally confirmed in various settings, including observations of light from stars passing close to massive objects like the Sun. The redshift observed in such scenarios remains present even after the light has left the gravitational field.

Do you agree with this response from ChatGPT, and/or do you think there are any lack of understanding or mind reader issues? (I don't mind being told that I don't understand, or that I'm wrong about anything - I don't take offense to it and I welcome it. )

The Earth is in such a tiny gravity well that it makes virtually no difference.

As for "it doesn't completely disappear" answer, that is just chatGPT being dumb.  The gravity from a grain of sand on the other side of the universe as seen from Earth doesn't "completely disappear" either.

[neil]

1. Is it your contention that we (our galaxy, solar system, Earth) is neither in a gravity well nor in some sort of similar effect (some sort of gravity wells within gravity wells arrangement)?

2. I posed the following question to ChatGPT in the same session: "Does redshift due to a gravity well remain after it leaves the well?"

Here was its response:

Do you agree with this response from ChatGPT, and/or do you think there are any lack of understanding or mind reader issues? (I don't mind being told that I don't understand, or that I'm wrong about anything - I don't take offense to it and I welcome it. )

The Earth is in such a tiny gravity well that it makes virtually no difference.

As for "it doesn't completely disappear" answer, that is just chatGPT being dumb.  The gravity from a grain of sand on the other side of the universe as seen from Earth doesn't "completely disappear" either.

Yes, and if a photon is reaching Earth from the edge of the known universe, it's not just Earth's gravity well that it's dealing with.

[HappySkeptic]

The Earth is in such a tiny gravity well that it makes virtually no difference.

As for "it doesn't completely disappear" answer, that is just chatGPT being dumb.  The gravity from a grain of sand on the other side of the universe as seen from Earth doesn't "completely disappear" either.

Yes, and if a photon is reaching Earth from the edge of the known universe, it's not just Earth's gravity well that it's dealing with.

What I mean is that functions like 1/(R^2) where R is a distance never go to zero, unless R is infinite.  That is what ChatGPT was seeing when it said that the gravitational redshift never goes to zero after the light leaves a gravity well.  It can be "essentially" zero, though, for high R.

You are getting bogged down in minutia.

[Authari]

1. Is it your contention that we (our galaxy, solar system, Earth) is neither in a gravity well nor in some sort of similar effect (some sort of gravity wells within gravity wells arrangement)?

2. I posed the following question to ChatGPT in the same session: "Does redshift due to a gravity well remain after it leaves the well?"

Here was its response:

Do you agree with this response from ChatGPT, and/or do you think there are any lack of understanding or mind reader issues? (I don't mind being told that I don't understand, or that I'm wrong about anything - I don't take offense to it and I welcome it. )

The Earth is in such a tiny gravity well that it makes virtually no difference.

As for "it doesn't completely disappear" answer, that is just chatGPT being dumb.  The gravity from a grain of sand on the other side of the universe as seen from Earth doesn't "completely disappear" either.

i am going to interject here sir and would like to say that most of the light traveling from distant galaxies towards the earth have billions of years of light years to enter into a gravity well that would effect its redshift, thus disproving this stupid Big Bang Theory altogether and that you sir are an imbecile who has believed in the lie that is modern science which is in actuality a product of the illuminati IE The Roman Catholic Church because the BIG BANG THEORY is a ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTION.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The Earth is in such a tiny gravity well that it makes virtually no difference.

As for "it doesn't completely disappear" answer, that is just chatGPT being dumb.  The gravity from a grain of sand on the other side of the universe as seen from Earth doesn't "completely disappear" either.

i am going to interject here sir and would like to say that most of the light traveling from distant galaxies towards the earth have billions of years of light years to enter into a gravity well that would effect its redshift, thus disproving this stupid Big Bang Theory altogether and that you sir are an imbecile who has believed in the lie that is modern science which is in actuality a product of the illuminati IE The Roman Catholic Church because the BIG BANG THEORY is a ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTION.

(Bold mine)

So is Jesus of Nazareth.

Boru

[Authari]

i am going to interject here sir and would like to say that most of the light traveling from distant galaxies towards the earth have billions of years of light years to enter into a gravity well that would effect its redshift, thus disproving this stupid Big Bang Theory altogether and that you sir are an imbecile who has believed in the lie that is modern science which is in actuality a product of the illuminati IE The Roman Catholic Church because the BIG BANG THEORY is a ROMAN CATHOLIC INVENTION.

(Bold mine)

So is Jesus of Nazareth.

Boru

I ALREADY KNOW THAT

(bold mine)

p.s. I never said I believed in Jesus, though technically I do believe in the Christ, unless we are referencing John The Baptist as the historical Jesus, in which case, I would most certainly believe in John The Baptist, but I would not believe in Judas The Galilean, and I am impartial on Jesus ben Gamala the High Priest of Israel whom Josephus fashioned the name for Jesus after. Josephus seemed to vouch for him, so I am inclined to believe in that man as part of this Triune Teraphim.

[Silver]