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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 8:55 pm
(January 8, 2024 at 8:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (January 8, 2024 at 8:46 pm)JJoseph Wrote: These persons are not credible. Jesus Christ is.
You're not credible.
Maybe, but I'm not asking anyone to place faith in me, am I? Nor is anyone's eternal life determined by what they think about me, but only what they think about Lord Jesus Christ.
Lord Jesus Christ came down from Heaven, at a prearranged time, and He had foretold this through Abraham, David, Isaiah, Daniel, and other Prophets. Let me quote St. Thomas Aquinas on this.
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 8:56 pm
(January 8, 2024 at 8:54 pm)JJoseph Wrote: You should research the 60 MILLION Christians and other Innocents killed by Godless Atheist People in Orthodox Christian Russia, when they turned it into the Atheistic Soviet Union. Then you see what kind of Hell-Hole of Hatred evil men turn God's green Earth into when they behave like Devils. The Just and Holy Fear of Hell-Fire can keep a man from falling into that kind of evil.
Nevertheless, I agree with those Catholic Theologians, who believe a great part of humanity, perhaps 50%, perhaps even 66%+ (like 2/3rds of the Angels were saved), or perhaps even more, depending on the prayers and actions of the Church, and of Christians, and also of course the free will choices of unbelievers. God has the right to practice Peace through Strength, just like nations practice it, especially when there are such Mass Murdering Communist Atheists like Joseph Stalin running around. But if people repent, as many Saints say, even in their last moments, the Merciful Judge commutes their Eternal Sentence to a lengthy period of time in Purgatory instead. God is Merciful and Just.
Krsna is God. Christ was a phony.
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 8:57 pm
Saint Thomas Aquinas on the Reasonableness of Faith. There is a reason Christian Ages venerated this Great Man for his towering intellect and brilliant understanding, and exposition, of the Truths of Faith. St. Thomas:
"THE Divine Wisdom, that knows all things most fully, has deigned to reveal these her secrets to men, and in proof of them has displayed works beyond the competence of all natural powers, in the wonderful cure of diseases, in the raising of the dead, and what is more wonderful still, in such inspiration of human minds as that simple and ignorant persons, filled with the gift of the Holy Ghost, have gained in an instant the height of wisdom and eloquence.11 By force of the aforesaid proof, without violence of arms, without promise of pleasures, and, most wonderful thing of all, in the midst of the violence of persecutors, a countless multitude, not only of the uneducated but of the wisest men, flocked to the Christian faith, wherein doctrines are preached that transcend all human understanding, pleasures of sense are restrained, and a contempt is taught of all worldly possessions. That mortal minds should assent to such teaching is the greatest of miracles, and a manifest work of divine inspiration leading men to despise the visible and desire only invisible goods. Nor did this happen suddenly nor by chance, but by a divine disposition, as is manifest from the fact that God foretold by many oracles of His prophets that He intended to do this. The books of those prophets are still venerated amongst us, as bearing testimony to our faith. This argument is touched upon in the text: Which (salvation) having begun to be uttered by the Lord, was confirmed by them that heard him even unto us, God joining in the testimony by signs and portents and various distributions of the Holy Spirit (Heb. ii, 3, 4). This so wonderful conversion of the world to the Christian faith is so certain a sign of past miracles, that they need no further reiteration, since they appear evidently in their effects. It would be more wonderful than all other miracles, if without miraculous signs the world had been induced by simple and low-born men to believe truths so arduous, to do works so difficult, to hope for reward so high. And yet even in our times God ceases not through His saints to work miracles for the confirmation of the faith.12"
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 8:59 pm
Ipse dixit is not a sound argument.
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:02 pm
(January 8, 2024 at 8:54 pm)I’m JJoseph Wrote: You should research the 60 MILLION Christians and other Innocents killed by Godless Atheist People in Orthodox Christian Russia, when they turned it into the Atheistic Soviet Union. Then you see what kind of Hell-Hole of Hatred evil men turn God's green Earth into when they behave like Devils. The Just and Holy Fear of Hell-Fire can keep a man from falling into that kind of evil.
Nevertheless, I agree with those Catholic Theologians, who believe a great part of humanity, perhaps 50%, perhaps even 66%+ (like 2/3rds of the Angels were saved), or perhaps even more, depending on the prayers and actions of the Church, and of Christians, and also of course the free will choices of unbelievers. God has the right to practice Peace through Strength, just like nations practice it, especially when there are such Mass Murdering Communist Atheists like Joseph Stalin running around. But if people repent, as many Saints say, even in their last moments, the Merciful Judge commutes their Eternal Sentence to a lengthy period of time in Purgatory instead. God is Merciful and Just.
If any of this was true then all those dead xians are in paradise, right?
What’s the issue?
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:06 pm
There is nothing that would make me believe that nonsense. It is utterly ridiculous.
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:07 pm
I'm confused. Which god are you asking about?
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:10 pm
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(January 8, 2024 at 8:54 pm)JJoseph Wrote: You should research the 60 MILLION Christians and other Innocents killed by
And you should keep to the subject, but that wouldn't fit the dishonest persona of a snake oil salesman that you are.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:19 pm
*exasperated sigh*
They always come here repeating the same nonsensical rhetoric countless others have spewed on the forum
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
January 8, 2024 at 9:28 pm
(January 8, 2024 at 8:54 pm)JJoseph Wrote: You should research the 60 MILLION Christians and other Innocents killed by Godless Atheist People in Orthodox Christian Russia, when they turned it into the Atheistic Soviet Union. Then you see what kind of Hell-Hole of Hatred evil men turn God's green Earth into when they behave like Devils. The Just and Holy Fear of Hell-Fire can keep a man from falling into that kind of evil.
Nevertheless, I agree with those Catholic Theologians, who believe a great part of humanity, perhaps 50%, perhaps even 66%+ (like 2/3rds of the Angels were saved), or perhaps even more, depending on the prayers and actions of the Church, and of Christians, and also of course the free will choices of unbelievers. God has the right to practice Peace through Strength, just like nations practice it, especially when there are such Mass Murdering Communist Atheists like Joseph Stalin running around. But if people repent, as many Saints say, even in their last moments, the Merciful Judge commutes their Eternal Sentence to a lengthy period of time in Purgatory instead. God is Merciful and Just.
So you just admitted that Jesus is not better than Stalin.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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