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How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
#21
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
We can model this mathematically.
N = N0 * 2^t/T

where N0 is the initial population of 2.
t is the number of years passed.
T is your claim of the population doubling every 200 y.

We can merge N0 and the 2^x part into
N = 2^(1 + t/T)

8 billion = 2^(1 + 6379.47057079 / 200)

and therefore, the 2 initial people existed 6379.47 y ago.
-------------------------------------------

{
N = 2^(1 + 2079.47/200)
= 2700 people in the year 2300 (Noah’s time) (If we use a base of 0, it is the year 2079.47)
}

Also, I think you want to believe that Noah’s flood is a fact and so, you probably believe it took place around 2300 BCE (4300 y ago)
Doing the math where T = 200 y:
N = 8 * 2^t/T
N = 8 * 2^4300/200 = 23.7 million

so, according to the equation, today’s world population should be 23.7 million. That’s wrong, so let’s correct it.

I think you need to reduce that 200 y doubling thing.
Doing the math:
8 billion = 8 * 2^(4300/T)
Solving for T
T = 144 y

In other words, the population doubles every 144 y.



(March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am)MFrancis Wrote: Stated differently, if humanity began around 100,000 B.C. but yet doubled around 200 to 300 years, and increased by 1000 every 3000 years or so, the population would be >10^30, i.e. Millions of Trillions of Trillions, not just 8 BN. How do we resolve this dilemma/paradox, from within the evolutionary paradigm?

Thoughts and comments welcome.

Why 100,000 BCE?
Do you believe that suddenly, there were 2 humans 100,000 y ago?

This is something that I would like you to think about.
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#22
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
Are you fucking serious? Hehe
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#23
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
(May 2, 2024 at 12:39 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Are you fucking serious? Hehe

I am just using his idea and expressing it mathematically. The only important points in his model are the end points: the first day and today.
I also considered another point in time: the big flood event of Noah. That fucked up the numbers when the same model was used.

He or any other young earth creationist is welcomed here and he can explain his ideas to me.
There are a lot of people like him. Some are university educated and some are scientists.
They are all welcomed to me.

I would have asked him why he trusts this model so much. Why is using human population count the best way to determine the age of the Earth?
Can other animals be used? Why or why not?
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#24
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
You left out the juicy bits of cross breeding with neanderthals.

Would a death by snu snu joke fit in here?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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#25
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
(May 2, 2024 at 9:50 pm)brewer Wrote: You left out the juicy bits of cross breeding with neanderthals.

Would a death by snu snu joke fit in here?

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Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#26
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
(May 2, 2024 at 9:50 pm)brewer Wrote: You left out the juicy bits of cross breeding with neanderthals.

Would a death by snu snu joke fit in here?

What did the people say when they saw the sons of god come down to Earth?
Hey everybody! We are about to get layed!


and then there was this groundhog running around and dancing.
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#27
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
It never ceases to amaze me how often these loons try to use science in support of a miracle.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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#28
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
It's funny, but even the "best"* creationist websites: Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Research, and some others, have pages on their websites with lists dedicated to warning creationist apologists not to use certain arguments deemed to be the most silly.

This one the OP is using makes the top of the list.

So, as bad as all creationists' arguments are, this one is even too ridiculous for creationists sites to use.

*and by "best", I mean the ones that are able to BS the best, and make it sound credible to the ignorant.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#29
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
(May 2, 2024 at 12:15 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: We can model this mathematically.
N = N0 * 2^t/T

where N0 is the initial population of 2.
t is the number of years passed.
T is your claim of the population doubling every 200 y.

We can merge N0 and the 2^x part into
N = 2^(1 + t/T)

8 billion = 2^(1 + 6379.47057079 / 200)

and therefore, the 2 initial people existed 6379.47 y ago.
-------------------------------------------

{
N = 2^(1 + 2079.47/200)
= 2700 people in the year 2300 (Noah’s time) (If we use a base of 0, it is the year 2079.47)
}

Also, I think you want to believe that Noah’s flood is a fact and so, you probably believe it took place around 2300 BCE (4300 y ago)
Doing the math where T = 200 y:
N = 8 * 2^t/T
N = 8 * 2^4300/200 = 23.7 million

so, according to the equation, today’s world population should be 23.7 million. That’s wrong, so let’s correct it.

I think you need to reduce that 200 y doubling thing.
Doing the math:
8 billion = 8 * 2^(4300/T)
Solving for T
T = 144 y

In other words, the population doubles every 144 y.



(March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am)MFrancis Wrote: Stated differently, if humanity began around 100,000 B.C. but yet doubled around 200 to 300 years, and increased by 1000 every 3000 years or so, the population would be >10^30, i.e. Millions of Trillions of Trillions, not just 8 BN. How do we resolve this dilemma/paradox, from within the evolutionary paradigm?

Thoughts and comments welcome.

Why 100,000 BCE?
Do you believe that suddenly, there were 2 humans 100,000 y ago?

This is something that I would like you to think about.

If creationists actually could think, there'd be a lot less creationists.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#30
RE: How long has Humanity been on Planet Earth?
Science, sees a problem, and works on the solution.

Religion, already has the solution, it needs to find the problem that suits it.
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