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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:14 pm
The american sociological association would be a great place for contemporary stuff that might interest you. If you're starting from the beginning with comparative sociology that would be max weber and emile durkheim, traditionally.
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:15 pm
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(July 17, 2024 at 12:58 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Too bad "doing the good thing" often (and almost exclusively) involves lowering yourself to a kind of slave status, and in fact it's ultimately not about just "doing the good thing", the people doing that will always, no matter if they're demanding it or not, expect some crumb of a reward for putting up with being a slave. In my estimation, slaves deserve nothing. Their attitude is appallingly distasteful, and I can't justify why such people should be allowed any kind of reward when they are essentially putting their hands on a hot stove in exchange for a lolipop. bmine
-a wild invocation of harm appears.
See, even when we're trolling we do it.
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2024 at 1:17 pm by Disagreeable.)
As for lying, I would say it's only wrong when it causes harm. But you could also be a rule consequentalist* and believe it's wrong, as a general rule, to lie.
*Or a deontologist
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:19 pm
(July 17, 2024 at 1:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The american sociological association would be a great place for contemporary stuff that might interest you. If you're starting from the beginning with comparative sociology that would be max weber and emile durkheim, traditionally.
Hmmmm. I dislike it when people have read stuff, learning stuff is for the nerds
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm
Fuckin nerds.
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm
Currently reading On What Matters by Derek Parfit. It's a fun read.
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:21 pm
(July 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Fuckin nerds.
was that intended as an example of an immoral act without harmful consequences?
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:22 pm
(July 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm)Disagreeable Wrote: Currently reading On What Matters by Derek Parfit. It's a fun read.
He is on my (clearly non-nerdy) reading list. Recommend it?
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:22 pm
(July 17, 2024 at 1:22 pm)Lucian Wrote: (July 17, 2024 at 1:20 pm)Disagreeable Wrote: Currently reading On What Matters by Derek Parfit. It's a fun read.
He is on my (clearly non-nerdy) reading list. Recommend it?
Recommend it.
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
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What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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RE: Atheism and Ethics
July 17, 2024 at 1:30 pm
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(July 17, 2024 at 1:16 pm)Disagreeable Wrote: As for lying, I would say it's only wrong when it causes harm. But you could also be a rule consequentalist* and believe it's wrong, as a general rule, to lie.
*Or a deontologist
I think that Hugo Mercier has some good stuff on lying in his book Not Born Yesterday. Communication and cooperation is dependent on trusting what someone is saying, with varying levels of epistemic vigilance. The more someone lies the less likely we are to trust them and it makes our engagement with them unproductive. If that happens too widely societies would break down. He likens it to signalling in the animal world, with stotting by antelope not just being a “hey, I am super fit so don’t go for me”, but also as a “we have seen you” signal to the predator telling them that they are unlikely to be successful in the hunt. Should that signal prove too unreliable, the purpose would be done away with.
Interesting read, especially with how our faculties derived from originally small groups cause havoc in the modern world
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