The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

His latest Grandpa Simpson moment:

“These are people I’ve gotten to know over the years,” the POTUS said, referring to the Prime Minister of Pakistan, Shehbaz Sharif, and the Egyptian President, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. “I mean, I would say it started around 2015 and then went into 2016 when the presidency began, officially began,” he said.

Boru

[Rev. Rye]

Trump threatens to shut down US government unless Democrats agree to ban all trans health care

Pink

I don't care. Shut it down, you worthless toddler.

Big deal, we’re all going to have medbeds soon and what the fuck am I watching?

[Mr Greene]

The Debate on Whether Mormons are Christians is Settled Because Donald Trump Says So

On Sunday, September 28, 2025, a mass shooting and arson attack occurred at a congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter‑day Saints (LDS) in Grand Blanc, Michigan.

Noted religious scholar Donald J. Trump immediately posted on Truth Social, framing the incident as an attack on Christians.

In 2014, Trump suggested that Mitt Romney, a Mormon, lost the 2012 election due to his “alien faith.” McKay Coppins reported that Trump argued vigorously — despite evidence to the contrary — that many Christian voters were put off by Romney’s religion. Privately, Trump reportedly joked about sacred undergarments worn by devout members. Michael Cohen recalled, “Oh my God. How many times did he bring up Mitt Romney and the undergarments…”

Now you have it, Mormons are definitely Christians because it feeds the narrative that Christians are under attack in America. Fox News will run this angle throughout the news cycle, even though many of its commentators would have been among those denying that Mormons were Christians the day before this horrible attack.

At the time of this writing, the shooter has been identified as Thomas Jacob Sanford, a 40-year-old Marine Corps veteran from Burton, Michigan. Nothing is known about his motives, yet Donald Trump sees it as an attack on Christianity. That settles that.

What makes Trump’s intervention so hollow is the hypocrisy at its core. For years, he has courted evangelical leaders who openly dismissed Mormons as outside the Christian fold, yet in the wake of tragedy, he suddenly anoints them as Christians because it serves his narrative of persecution. He rails against violence while stoking division, condemns hatred while trafficking in it, and claims to defend faith while weaponizing it for political gain.

https://www.levelman.com/lds-church-atta...hristians/


Indeed, just a few days ago MAGA was claiming that Charlie Kirk's assassin isn't right wing even though he's a Christian because "Mormons are not Christians"

"Tyler Robinson Is Not A Christian Because Mormons Are Not Christians"

Today I’m watching the right wing flood the zone with shit in their desperation to prove that Tyler Robinson is not one of them despite his upbringing and environment — he’s an radical left wing antifa Democrat they say. Their latest evidence is a photo of a member of Utah’s Democratic Socialists of America wearing said shirt, that obviously isnt Tyler Robinson but has a vague resemblance to him.

However what caught my eye is the uptick of MAGA arguing that Tyler Robinson is not a Christian because Mormons are not Christians. So, say you're Mormon and you support Charlie Kirk because you are Christian and so is Charlie Kirk.  Problem is, MAGA is now saying that the shooter is not Christian because he is a Mormon, and Mormons are not Christian.  

Think long and hard about what this means, because this is exactly how America shatters into a million divided pieces where everyone starts kicking each other out of their group.

MAGA just declared that you’re politically expendable — you were one of them until they decide that you’re not.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/...Christians

Experience with creationists suggests they will will argue that Mormons are both christian and non christian simultaneously...

[Thumpalumpacus]

Experience with creationists suggests they will will argue that Mormons are both christian and non christian simultaneously...

Whatever suits their purposes at any given moment.

[Paraselene]

Trump's plan for this shutdown is just the next step in cementing total control over the government and the country.

[Paraselene]

More Americans now agree political violence may be necessary to right the country

NPR

[Rev. Rye]

More Americans now agree political violence may be necessary to right the country

NPR

Looking at the original poll for perspective:

• The poll says more Americans believe that political violence may be necessary to right the country (Dems are the biggest movers in This department), but still, a majority of the population overall (70%) still holds out hope for peace. The closest any groups come to a majority are Latinos, Gen Z, Millennials, Big City Dwellers, and Small Town dwellers, but their percentages only range from 39-42%.
  
• 77% overall consider political violence a major problem. 
  
• The nation is split pretty evenly over whether they’re more worried about violence against political leaders (The Republicans lead here) or violence against protesters (Dems lead here).
  
• The nation is split 60/40 over whether gun rights should be restricted or protected, with a majority skewing towards the former. (Take a wild guess which party skews in which direction.)
  

Other points from the same survey: 

• The majority of those polled, apart from Republicans, Trump supporters, White Evangelical Christians, and men who didn't graduate college (and even the last one is split 50/50), think America is moving in the wrong direction.
  
• Majority of all groups polled support mandatory vaccinations for public school students.
  
• Depressingly, a slim majority of those polled are in favour of Trump's National Guard in Cities plans. Majority Demographics: Registered Voters, Republicans, Midwesterners, Southerners, those who make less than $50k a year, non-college graduates, most age cohorts except for Gen Xers and even they're at 49%, White Evangelical Christians, Trumpists, City Dwellers, Small Town dwellers, Rural folk, and Suburban men. All races seem to support it. 
  
• Majority all around think that the government has gone too far in restricting the First Amendment. The majority think that, if any part of the federal government should be responsible, it should be the Supreme Court. 
  
• Every group except Republicans, WECs, rural folk, and Trump supporters, think Trump bungled the Epstein files. Even then, only Republicans and Trump supporters have majorities here.
  
• Every single demographic polled had a majority say "Release All of the Epstein files, with Victims' names removed)." The smallest majority, for some reason (I can only assume it was because they don't care that much about rich white people), was Black people, but even they were only at 63%.