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At least try to be factually correct when you write something.
Quote:But they were still a key to his rise to power by terrorizing ordinary people and gradually bringing the whole of Germany under the yoke of the NSDAP.
They weren't. NSDAP only started to be popular after Great Depression started as one can see from their election results. During a crisis extreme parties gain popularity and Hitler was extreme, not to mention the fact that he had the allies in conservatives. Germany was placed under NSDAP yoke thanks to idiotic calculation of right wing "elites" who thought that Hitler can be used and discarded. Hitler party was actually losing voters before he was appointed chancellor as you can clearly see in the link above.
SA was nothing more than useful instrument so claim that bunch of thugs was key in a rise to power of Hitler is facile. Naive right wingers with Hindenburg being most high profile were this key. To quote from Volker Ullrich Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939:
[...]Four weeks later, Hitler was German chancellor. This
turnabout, which astonished a great many people at the time,
was no “triumph of the will” or “seizure of power,” as Nazi
propaganda would soon claim. It was the result of sinister
intrigues behind the scenes in which a handful of figures, most
notably former Chancellor von Papen, pulled the strings. “Herr
Hitler was a defeated man when he was given victory,” the
journalist and sociologist Leopold Schwarzschild remarked in an
article entitled “Chancellor Hitler” in early February 1933. “He
had already lost the contest for governmental authority, when
he was offered the opportunity to win it ex post facto.”
The decisive factor in the political intrigue was access to
Hindenburg, or, as Konrad Heiden more casually wrote, “who
had the old man’s ear.”7 Ultimately the destiny of Germany
depended on the Reich president. In his definitive Hindenburg
biography, Wolfram Pyta convincingly showed that the ageing
German president was not merely a marionette in the hands of
his camarilla, as earlier historians had depicted him. On the
contrary, Hindenburg remained in control of his decisions at all
times.8 He played the leading part in the drama that preceded
Hitler’s appointment to the chancellorship. Papen, State
Secretary Meissner and Hindenburg’s son Oskar—although the
Weimar Constitution had not foreseen a role played by the
president’s son—were the most significant members of the
supporting cast. [Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939, p. 379-380]*
*https://imgur.com/QaexOyT
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
(January 25, 2026 at 10:12 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: This is not a gestapo-like situation. Before seizing power had his SA units. Later these SA where all liquidated during the Night of the Long Knifes.
But they were still a key to his rise to power by terrorizing ordinary people and gradually bringing the whole of Germany under the yoke of the NSDAP.
There is two other points I want to make:
1) Minneapolis is 500 miles from the Mexican border so what’s going on there?
2) These guy need a training of 6 months (that’s what they said on CNN) so why is D. Trump releasing them into the streets after 47 days?
Again this is US citizens vs. US citizens and US law enforcement bodies vs. US law enforcement bodies. This alienation of the “opponent” is not a healthy thing. Rural White America is not the enemy of citizen multiethnic more educated America. And border patrols should be at the border preventing uncontrolled migration. They should be terrorizing local population 500 miles from the Mexican border and/or challenging local law-enforcement and political bodies in this or that state.
This reminds me a lot of the January 8th Brasilia Attacks (2023) when Jair Bolsonaro supporters attacked and raided government buildings:
If this is an efficient way of doing politics it’s definitely not an ethical way of doing politics. Politicians (even right-wing conservative politicians) need to have a code of conduct and some sort of work-ethic while performing their roles as politicians.
It’s not OK to simply mess everything up like that. Politicians from the Republican camp need to understand this and stand up against D. Trump.
A couple of utterly trivial corrections:
1. Minneapolis is more that 1400 miles from the Mexican border, not 500. As to ‘what is going on there’, ICE is tasked with removing people who have committed the heinous crime of walking across an imaginary line without permission, not just securing the border.
2. ICE training used to be five months. It’s been shortened to six weeks so Trump can put more thugs on the streets faster.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Quote:Politicians (even right-wing conservative politicians) need to have a code of conduct
They do. But having a code of conduct is no guarantee they they’ll conduct themselves accordingly. And people would voluntarily conduct themselves according to such a code wouldn’t need it in the first place.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
At least try to be factually correct when you write something.
Quote:But they were still a key to his rise to power by terrorizing ordinary people and gradually bringing the whole of Germany under the yoke of the NSDAP.
They weren't. NSDAP only started to be popular after Great Depression started as one can see from their election results. During a crisis extreme parties gain popularity and Hitler was extreme, not to mention the fact that he had the allies in conservatives. Germany was placed under NSDAP yoke thanks to idiotic calculation of right wing "elites" who thought that Hitler can be used and discarded. Hitler party was actually losing voters before he was appointed chancellor as you can clearly see in the link above.
SA was nothing more than useful instrument so claim that bunch of thugs was key in a rise to power of Hitler is facile. Naive right wingers with Hindenburg being most high profile were this key. To quote from Volker Ullrich Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939:
[...]Four weeks later, Hitler was German chancellor. This
turnabout, which astonished a great many people at the time,
was no “triumph of the will” or “seizure of power,” as Nazi
propaganda would soon claim. It was the result of sinister
intrigues behind the scenes in which a handful of figures, most
notably former Chancellor von Papen, pulled the strings. “Herr
Hitler was a defeated man when he was given victory,” the
journalist and sociologist Leopold Schwarzschild remarked in an
article entitled “Chancellor Hitler” in early February 1933. “He
had already lost the contest for governmental authority, when
he was offered the opportunity to win it ex post facto.”
The decisive factor in the political intrigue was access to
Hindenburg, or, as Konrad Heiden more casually wrote, “who
had the old man’s ear.”7 Ultimately the destiny of Germany
depended on the Reich president. In his definitive Hindenburg
biography, Wolfram Pyta convincingly showed that the ageing
German president was not merely a marionette in the hands of
his camarilla, as earlier historians had depicted him. On the
contrary, Hindenburg remained in control of his decisions at all
times.8 He played the leading part in the drama that preceded
Hitler’s appointment to the chancellorship. Papen, State
Secretary Meissner and Hindenburg’s son Oskar—although the
Weimar Constitution had not foreseen a role played by the
president’s son—were the most significant members of the
supporting cast. [Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939, p. 379-380]*
*https://imgur.com/QaexOyT
It may be very petty of me, but I enjoy seeing Leo get bitch-slapped with facts.
Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
(January 25, 2026 at 1:07 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 25, 2026 at 10:35 am)Ivan Denisovich Wrote: Is it not? Both were/are official agencies acting on behalf of government and not just party militia like SA before Hitler was appointed chancellor.
At least try to be factually correct when you write something.
They weren't. NSDAP only started to be popular after Great Depression started as one can see from their election results. During a crisis extreme parties gain popularity and Hitler was extreme, not to mention the fact that he had the allies in conservatives. Germany was placed under NSDAP yoke thanks to idiotic calculation of right wing "elites" who thought that Hitler can be used and discarded. Hitler party was actually losing voters before he was appointed chancellor as you can clearly see in the link above.
SA was nothing more than useful instrument so claim that bunch of thugs was key in a rise to power of Hitler is facile. Naive right wingers with Hindenburg being most high profile were this key. To quote from Volker Ullrich Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939:
[...]Four weeks later, Hitler was German chancellor. This
turnabout, which astonished a great many people at the time,
was no “triumph of the will” or “seizure of power,” as Nazi
propaganda would soon claim. It was the result of sinister
intrigues behind the scenes in which a handful of figures, most
notably former Chancellor von Papen, pulled the strings. “Herr
Hitler was a defeated man when he was given victory,” the
journalist and sociologist Leopold Schwarzschild remarked in an
article entitled “Chancellor Hitler” in early February 1933. “He
had already lost the contest for governmental authority, when
he was offered the opportunity to win it ex post facto.”
The decisive factor in the political intrigue was access to
Hindenburg, or, as Konrad Heiden more casually wrote, “who
had the old man’s ear.”7 Ultimately the destiny of Germany
depended on the Reich president. In his definitive Hindenburg
biography, Wolfram Pyta convincingly showed that the ageing
German president was not merely a marionette in the hands of
his camarilla, as earlier historians had depicted him. On the
contrary, Hindenburg remained in control of his decisions at all
times.8 He played the leading part in the drama that preceded
Hitler’s appointment to the chancellorship. Papen, State
Secretary Meissner and Hindenburg’s son Oskar—although the
Weimar Constitution had not foreseen a role played by the
president’s son—were the most significant members of the
supporting cast. [Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939, p. 379-380]*
*https://imgur.com/QaexOyT
It may be very petty of me, but I enjoy seeing Leo get bitch-slapped with facts.
Boru
He must enjoy it too, otherwise he would fact check what he posts.
The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.
It wont be. The ones who can see it's fucked up are blaming immigrants for it being fucked up. Blaming Joe Biden. Blaming Obama, even.
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