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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:36 pm
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(Yesterday at 9:11 pm)Jal Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:05 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: You'e comparing apples to oranges, coding strategies (apples) to coding a specific coding language (oranges). I could, perhaps, recommend a strategy, if i knew enough about C# to know if that strategy is possible. Since I don't, I'm not going to offer advice on the subject because I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNDERLYING UNDERSTANDING! Much like you in the sciences. Ok you would remain silent. I would not. I would speak up, if I felt I had good reason to do so (in fact I HAVE spoken up on the "Customer" code above),and I would expect those who ARE experts in C# to enumerate the flaws, if any, in my position, especially on a debate/discussion forum. If they repeatedly show themselves UNABLE to identify any flaws in my reasoning, I will cling to my (tentative) opinions for now. So it looks like I'll be taking those (tenatative) opinions to my grave, because I've yet to see anyone rebut them.
You are so consistent at missing the point that I'm beginning to think it's intentional. If you show me a page of C# code, I would likely recognize it as a programming language. That's it. I know nothing of the syntax, the structure, or anything else that would make it even remotely possible that I could give any useful input. From the demonstration of ignorance of the sciences you have put forth, that's where you are with them.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:38 pm
(Yesterday at 9:24 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:14 pm)Jal Wrote: Sorry, but postulating degrees of senstience is not equivocation. You may not LIKE that assumption, but you haven't shown it illogical.
Name one quality, trait, or property that a rock has which makes it eligible to be labeled sentient. If you can't, your implied claim that you are using the word the same with a rock as with a human is hollow.
A rock has all the qualities of a sentient human being but too negligibly/ primordially to realize it. Just like a plant. The same potentiality is there and can be realized. If a rock is an unclear example, maybe a sandwich is a better example. A sandwich SEEMS non-sentient but when I eat it, and it becomes part of my brain matter, it's potentality for sentience is suddenly realized.
Not sure why you think I have a logical problem here. Just because you disbelieve in degrees of sentience doesn't make you correct and me wrong.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:39 pm
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So like if the plant or rock was woke, then it would act like us?
(here again we see a theodicy that acknowledges the world seems exactly like you say it isn't)
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:42 pm
(Yesterday at 9:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:11 pm)Jal Wrote: Ok you would remain silent. I would not. I would speak up, if I felt I had good reason to do so (in fact I HAVE spoken up on the "Customer" code above),and I would expect those who ARE experts in C# to enumerate the flaws, if any, in my position, especially on a debate/discussion forum. If they repeatedly show themselves UNABLE to identify any flaws in my reasoning, I will cling to my (tentative) opinions for now. So it looks like I'll be taking those (tenatative) opinions to my grave, because I've yet to see anyone rebut them.
You are so consistent at missing the point that I'm beginning to think it's intentional. If you show me a page of C# code, I would likely recognize it as a programming language. That's it. I know nothing of the syntax, the structure, or anything else that would make it even remotely possible that I could give any useful input. From the demonstration of ignorance of the sciences you have put forth, that's where you are with them.
That's not true. If you saw settings hardcoded there, you could easily advise to use configuration files for example. Or if you saw the same method duplicated 50 times, you could easily advise to consolidate it to a static method. Don't tell me it's not even "remotely possible" to offer advice on C#. Now it might TURN OUT that your suggestions were misguided, but don't tell me it's TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to offer useful advice. The only reason you're making this ridiculous assertion is to have an excuse to ignore my arguments, viz, "You're not a PHD in science so I can ignore anything you have to say." It's a copout.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:45 pm
Let me offer you an alternative view.
It's not that when we eat a sandwich we ingest it's latent wokeness and so inherit that ability. It's that we seek out sandwiches whether we need them or not because they're useful in synthesizing the components required to build and maintain biological structures which are capable of a novel sort of calculus that underpins competitive and reproductive success.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:45 pm
(Yesterday at 9:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: So like if the plant or rock was woke, then it would act like us?
(here again we see a theodicy that acknowledges the world seems exactly like you say it isn't)
Absolutely yes. My assumption is that Yahweh won't let that happen. In the interest of minimizing suffering, He awakened only enough matter to have angels and a preferred bride. Those pieces of awakened matter are known in Scripture as souls. Sorry if i wasn't clear on this point, it's just hard to explain my views in these short posts.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:48 pm
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Yahweh lets it look like our agency is impotent. Yahweh lets it look like the rocks aren't sentient. Because brides. This is crazy shit. My guy, it would be crazy shit even if it were true. Especially if it were true.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:49 pm
(Yesterday at 9:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let me offer you an alternative view.
It's not that when we eat a sandwich we ingest it's latent wokeness and so inherit that ability. It's that we seek out sandwiches whether we need them or not because they're useful in synthesizing the components required to build and maintain biological structures which are capable of a novel sort of calculus that underpins competitive and reproductive success.
Actually I largely agree with these words. I was speaking more from the standpoint of atheistic pansychism just to make a point. Personally I believe my body is asleep, but the (physical) soul within my body is awake. God has chosen to keep that soul (normally) hidden from our eyes,just like He normally He hides angels from us.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:51 pm
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(Yesterday at 9:42 pm)Jal Wrote: (Yesterday at 9:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: You are so consistent at missing the point that I'm beginning to think it's intentional. If you show me a page of C# code, I would likely recognize it as a programming language. That's it. I know nothing of the syntax, the structure, or anything else that would make it even remotely possible that I could give any useful input. From the demonstration of ignorance of the sciences you have put forth, that's where you are with them.
That's not true. If you saw settings hardcoded there, you could easily advise to use configuration files for example. Or if you saw the same method duplicated 50 times, you could easily advise to consolidate it to a static method. Don't tell me it's not even "remotely possible" to offer advice on C#. Now it might TURN OUT that your suggestions were misguided, but don't tell me it's TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to offer useful advice. The only reason you're making this ridiculous assertion is to have an excuse to ignore my arguments, viz, "You're not a PHD in science so I can ignore anything you have to say." It's a copout.
No, I'm just not asinine and self-righteous enough to speak up when I know I have insufficient knowledge to do so. You have insufficient knowledge of the sciences. Make of that what you will.
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RE: Natural Selection Seems Insufficient
Yesterday at 9:51 pm
(Yesterday at 9:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yahweh lets it look like our agency is impotent. Yahweh lets it look like the rocks aren't sentient. Because brides. This is crazy shit. My guy, it would be crazy shit even if it were true. Especially if it were true. Huh? Impotent? How am I impotent in agency, given that I could kill someone. Not getting your point.
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