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If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
I love how he keeps saying “for the atheist” as if atheism were an ideology rather than simply a lack of belief in the claim that God exists.

" It's a problem for Afairyiests .....lol
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
(3 hours ago)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you know what I think this whole "there has to be a decider" business comes from?  It's not a statement of fact, it's a primal scream.  Because, really, no matter what angle we come at it from, there doesn't have to be a decider.  Atheism could be true or false, and theism could be true or false..and in every combination... it's possible that there still isn't one.  Just like it's possible that people escape accountability in this life or the next life, adding that little wrinkle, again in any combination.  

The logical form of this argument is an appeal to consequences.  The notion that a proposition is false because the outcome is undesirable.  That you've managed to conflate one thing for another -in- that appeal just piles on, increasing confusion.

If I were to pretty up your objection - give it the iron man treatment, perhaps we could view it as a comment on how atheism is not fertile ground for authoritarian deontological structures that rely on threats or fears or expectations of retaliation to promote conformity which may have benefits to producing moral outcomes.  That might be true, there might be a trade off.  OFC stalin has already come up in thread so I'm not really sure that atheism can't be just as fertile as theism here.  It seems like we can fall into this trap regardless of what we believe, or are supposed to believe, about gods.
His entire argument reeks of social anxiety, implying that when people aren’t compelled to conform, societal collapse follows. This feels less rational and more driven by fear.
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: If there's no God, nothing is right or wrong
Lol apparently lions killing lions who are not moral agents is somehow equated to humans killing humans who are moral agents , that is pretty wild reasoning. Hehe
"Change was inevitable"


Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]



 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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