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China world economic core in 2016.
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RE: China world economic core in 2016.
Wow..the topic went from china to "lets hate on America"
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#12
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
So waht happens when China starts to threaten the US enerygy supplies. As China grows, it will require more & more energy, detracting from US needs. I wonder what will happen.

Although I don't really beleive in this stuff, what did Nostradamus say;

"The yellow hordes shall rule the Earth".
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#13
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
As China need more oil, American dollars poured into the Pentagon to better protect the safety of oil shiekdoms and the traquility of world maritime oil trade will increasingly secure China's access to cheap oil, greatly reduce China's military burden to protect its own oil trade routes, and allow China to devote bigger portions of its bigger economy to kick our ass in non-military ways.

This is one of the few cases where a military build up on the part of one competitor actually allows the other competitor to reduce arms expenditure.
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#14
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
My only regret is that we spent our last decade or so as a world leader tearing down all the world's progress toward international law.

We haven't always done the right thing but what made me proud of my country up until the end of the 90s is how we've made the effort to bring the world together. First there was Wilson's 14 points, then the League of Nations, then the United Nations. If the human race is to survive, we MUST come together. The problems we face in our technological adolescence can't be solved otherwise.

If you had told me during the 90s what was to come in the next decade, I would not have believed you. W Bush destroyed so much, including our reputation. His foreign policy had America acting like a swaggering bully, exiting treaties and invading countries at any whim. His very doctrine reserved the right to commit wars of aggression. "International law for thee, not for me" was the message to the world.

When our invasion of Iraq turned out to be based on bogus claims, I thought Bush could write off re-election. Stories of torture and illegal spying should have sealed his fate. Unfortunately, propaganda is a powerful tool and we Americans have proven to be just as susceptible to it as anyone else. His re-election was America's tacit approval. Forgive us world, we know not what we do.

Obama has missed America's chance at redemption. Had we investigated and prosecuted the Bush administration, or turned them over to the Hague for international trial, I think it would have done much to restore our credibility.

Can we hope that China will do a better job promoting international law and justice?
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How do you think the US will respond to that, or how will you respond? Military action? Is there any other alternative.
DiestP Wrote:If the human race is to survive, we MUST come together. The problems we face in our technological adolescence can't be solved otherwise.

I don't think that is possible in a peaceful way. Another World War would be bad, but it may bring the World together and reduce the population.

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(April 27, 2011 at 1:06 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: My only regret is that we spent our last decade or so as a world leader tearing down all the world's progress toward international law.

We haven't always done the right thing but what made me proud of my country up until the end of the 90s is how we've made the effort to bring the world together. First there was Wilson's 14 points, then the League of Nations, then the United Nations. If the human race is to survive, we MUST come together. The problems we face in our technological adolescence can't be solved otherwise.

If you had told me during the 90s what was to come in the next decade, I would not have believed you. W Bush destroyed so much, including our reputation. His foreign policy had America acting like a swaggering bully, exiting treaties and invading countries at any whim. His very doctrine reserved the right to commit wars of aggression. "International law for thee, not for me" was the message to the world.

When our invasion of Iraq turned out to be based on bogus claims, I thought Bush could write off re-election. Stories of torture and illegal spying should have sealed his fate. Unfortunately, propaganda is a powerful tool and we Americans have proven to be just as susceptible to it as anyone else. His re-election was America's tacit approval. Forgive us world, we know not what we do.

Obama has missed America's chance at redemption. Had we investigated and prosecuted the Bush administration, or turned them over to the Hague for international trial, I think it would have done much to restore our credibility.

Can we hope that China will do a better job promoting international law and justice?

The fundamental basis of China's notion of international law appears to be incompatible to ours. China seem to regard the ultimate foundation of international law to be the almost abosolute sanctity of a national government within its own borders, and the complete absence of any universal value across government other than the convenience of Chinese commerce and trade.
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#17
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
We knew it was coming, but that hammers it home some. Kinda awesome and terrifying at the same time. Can't wait.
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#18
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(April 27, 2011 at 1:00 pm)Chuck Wrote: As China need more oil, American dollars poured into the Pentagon to better protect the safety of oil shiekdoms and the traquility of world maritime oil trade will increasingly secure China's access to cheap oil, greatly reduce China's military burden to protect its own oil trade routes, and allow China to devote bigger portions of its bigger economy to kick our ass in non-military ways.

This is one of the few cases where a military build up on the part of one competitor actually allows the other competitor to reduce arms expenditure.

BINGO! Thus the reason why they readily loan us money. In reality it is our money that the greedy corporate and oil barons moved over there to avoid labor laws.
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#19
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
Is China likely to use it's economic power to play world police much like the U.S.A did? That's a scary thought.
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#20
RE: China world economic core in 2016.
Wow. I can say that I really don't give a damn if China becomes the economic #1 head honcho of the world.
The United States was only the world's #1 superpower from about the 50s through now. Before then, it wasn't #1 but look at what we still accomplished.

There are a lot of ways in which the US could improve its standing with the world, but I think we should concern ourselves more with our problems than whose economic dick is bigger than ours.
(That's not to say that we shouldn't ignore the issue - we need to protect our interests -, but I am saying that all the whining, crying, and doomsaying about the success of a billion+ people to do well for themselves in the world could be better used on making America better instead of making China worse.)
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