Realm of the spirit vs. Realm of the imagination

[ib.me.ub]

Imagination isn't unlimited, it's limited to the cognitive abilities of the sentient creatures in question.

Thats a big call. Wouldn't we need to understand the cognitive abilities of the beings involved first. As in, we don't yet know the full abilities of the human mind.

I don't see how human imagination could possibly have a set upper limit. Do you think there is a point where comprhension evaporates. As in, are there things we will never be able to understand or think. I just say that in the context of human learning ability and evolution of the mind.

We don't stop learning, our collective knowledge keeps growing as people think of new things, prove the ideas and implimente them into society as the truth.

[theVOID]

Imagination isn't unlimited, it's limited to the cognitive abilities of the sentient creatures in question.

Thats a big call. Wouldn't we need to understand the cognitive abilities of the beings involved first. As in, we don't yet know the full abilities of the human mind.

I don't see how human imagination could possibly have a set upper limit. Do you think there is a point where comprhension evaporates. As in, are there things we will never be able to understand or think. I just say that in the context of human learning ability and evolution of the mind.

If our minds are limited then our imagination, being a product of and being contained within the mind, is also necessarily limited.

Close your eyes and imagine the house that you live in from the front, can you picture the whole house at once, or are you limited to a subset of the house? Do you always see the color of the house, the windows, the roof, the door etc, or do you have to focus on one of these objects to gain the color? When you focus on the color do you lose focus of other parts of the house?

You shouldn't be able to picture both the sum of the features and the colors for every individual part, that is because our mind is limited and our imagination is a product of that limited mind.

There are a number of limits, such as the total amount of information that we can have in our brains, the amount of information we can have in our conscious minds at any one moment, the complexity of any given composite etc.

We don't stop learning,

But there is a limit to the amount of information we can retain. Often one thing learned is at the expense of something forgotten.

our collective knowledge keeps growing as people think of new things, prove the ideas and implimente them into society as the truth.

What does collective knowledge have to do with it?

[ib.me.ub]

Something learn't isn't imagination though, it is known. I suppose I am talikng about imagination in terms of new things. Yes, our minds have a limited amount of information we can retain, but if we disregard information we don't need and replace it with new information, isn't that the same as having an unlimited amount of space.

For instace, on your computer, if you delete something the space then becomes availiable again, if you continue to delete old outdated info, the space will continue to be free for new things. Hence, unlimited space.

Isn't it the imagination that actually thinks of the new ideas.

[theVOID]

Something learn't isn't imagination though, it is known.

It's not that simple...

I can imagine that P and have simultaneously learned of the concept that P. (Imagining a 16 legged dog with 112 eyes is the same as learning of the concept of a 16 legged dog with 112 eyes)

I can learn that P and have acquired the ability to imagine that P. (Learning of 'the fabric of spacetime' gives you the ability to imagine spacetime)

I suppose I am talikng about imagination in terms of new things. Yes, our minds have a limited amount of information we can retain, but if we disregard information we don't need and replace it with new information, isn't that the same as having an unlimited amount of space.

For instace, on your computer, if you delete something the space then becomes availiable again, if you continue to delete old outdated info, the space will continue to be free for new things. Hence, unlimited space.

Neither of those are 'unlimited space' though, it is limited space with limited combinations. Suppose you have a 1KB hard disk, you have a maximum of 1,000 bits of space, and a maximum of 1,000^2 combinations, same with the brain, you have a limited amount of space and a limited number of ways in which the 'bits' of information can be combined - Regardless of whether or not those 'bits' are combined in response to 'learning' or 'imagination'

Isn't it the imagination that actually thinks of the new ideas.

It depends on what exactly 'imagination' is. If imagination is entirely conscious then no, we still have 'new' ideas arise without intending to think of them.

[Cinjin]

I'm till trying to figure out how the hell Rhizo peers at god through is asshole!!?!! hock: You sir, are one flexible mother fucker!


As for the devil - he's in every man's dick. You're doin the right thing beaten him down. Keep being awesome!

[fr0d0]

Imagination isn't unlimited, it's limited to the cognitive abilities of the sentient creatures in question.

It's a figure of speech

The spirit is a subset of imagination mixed with some neurochemical systems that give people the warm fuzzies.

Weak

[reverendjeremiah]

Still waiting for my explanation

[ib.me.ub]

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Something learn't isn't imagination though, it is known.

It's not that simple...

I can imagine that P and have simultaneously learned of the concept that P. (Imagining a 16 legged dog with 112 eyes is the same as learning of the concept of a 16 legged dog with 112 eyes)

I can learn that P and have acquired the ability to imagine that P. (Learning of 'the fabric of spacetime' gives you the ability to imagine spacetime)

I suppose I am talikng about imagination in terms of new things. Yes, our minds have a limited amount of information we can retain, but if we disregard information we don't need and replace it with new information, isn't that the same as having an unlimited amount of space.

For instace, on your computer, if you delete something the space then becomes availiable again, if you continue to delete old outdated info, the space will continue to be free for new things. Hence, unlimited space.

Neither of those are 'unlimited space' though, it is limited space with limited combinations. Suppose you have a 1KB hard disk, you have a maximum of 1,000 bits of space, and a maximum of 1,000^2 combinations, same with the brain, you have a limited amount of space and a limited number of ways in which the 'bits' of information can be combined - Regardless of whether or not those 'bits' are combined in response to 'learning' or 'imagination'

Isn't it the imagination that actually thinks of the new ideas.

It depends on what exactly 'imagination' is. If imagination is entirely conscious then no, we still have 'new' ideas arise without intending to think of them.

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Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[fr0d0]

Still waiting for my explanation

Try to be more specific?

[theVOID]

Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Why do you disagree?