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Realm of the spirit vs. Realm of the imagination
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RE: Realm of the spirit vs. Realm of the imagination
(May 6, 2011 at 5:12 am)theVOID Wrote:
(May 6, 2011 at 12:29 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: Well, we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Why do you disagree?

I don't think it is fully understood how imagination and the mind works yet.

Wiki Wrote:Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability of forming mental images, sensations and concepts, in a moment when they are not perceived through sight, hearing or other senses. Imagination is the work of the mind that helps create. Imagination helps provide meaning to experience and understanding to knowledge; it is a fundamental facility through which people make sense of the world,[1][2][3] and it also plays a key role in the learning process.[1][4] A basic training for imagination is listening to storytelling (narrative),[1][5] in which the exactness of the chosen words is the fundamental factor to "evoke worlds."[6]



theVOID Wrote:I can learn that P and have acquired the ability to imagine that P. (Learning of 'the fabric of spacetime' gives you the ability to imagine spacetime)

So what if I was to imagine something, then later find out that this thing is true and has been proven or though of already, without prior knowledge of the subject matter. I wouldn't know what the subject matter was called (if konwn), but I would understand what it is, and perhaps how it works.
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RE: Realm of the spirit vs. Realm of the imagination
(May 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: I don't think it is fully understood how imagination and the mind works yet.

It doesn't need to be fully understood, we know enough. We know that the mind is limited and therefore the imagination, being a product of the mind, must also be limited.

Quote:So what if I was to imagine something, then later find out that this thing is true and has been proven or though of already, without prior knowledge of the subject matter. I wouldn't know what the subject matter was called (if konwn), but I would understand what it is, and perhaps how it works.

Yes you have a chance of devising for yourself the answer to a problem that someone else has already though of, and no you, will not know what they called it. Is this supposed to be surprising? It seems a bit of a non-factor to me.
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#23
RE: Realm of the spirit vs. Realm of the imagination
theVOID Wrote:
ib.me.ub Wrote:
theVOID Wrote:I can learn that P and have acquired the ability to imagine that P. (Learning of 'the fabric of spacetime' gives you the ability to imagine spacetime)

So what if I was to imagine something, then later find out that this thing is true and has been proven or though of already, without prior knowledge of the subject matter. I wouldn't know what the subject matter was called (if konwn), but I would understand what it is, and perhaps how it works.

Yes you have a chance of devising for yourself the answer to a problem that someone else has already though of, and no you, will not know what they called it. Is this supposed to be surprising? It seems a bit of a non-factor to me.

Yes, you don't need to explian it to me, I do undertsand. It was a rhetorical example & its not special, thats the whole point.

It was in direct responce to your assertion that I must learn something before being able to imagine it. Or did I miss understand your comment.
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