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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 1:17 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 9:49 am)Watson Wrote: (May 6, 2011 at 6:54 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: Like i said moral beliefs are subjective to the individual, but collectively there are human impulses which we all share. And where do these impulses come from, dare I ask?
Go ask a scientist, i'm sure they could answer you. I very much doubt the answer would be a satisfactory one, scientifically or otherwise.
Quote:I know it certainly doesn't have influence from any 'god'.
No you don't know that.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:23 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 1:57 pm)Watson Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 1:17 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: (May 7, 2011 at 9:49 am)Watson Wrote: (May 6, 2011 at 6:54 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: Like i said moral beliefs are subjective to the individual, but collectively there are human impulses which we all share. And where do these impulses come from, dare I ask?
Go ask a scientist, i'm sure they could answer you. I very much doubt the answer would be a satisfactory one, scientifically or otherwise.
Quote:I know it certainly doesn't have influence from any 'god'.
No you don't know that.
The answer doesn't have to be satisfactory to you.
And what makes you think you know for sure? Please i want to hear this one
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:24 pm
haha I didn't say I knew for sure, I said you don't know for sure.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:29 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 2:24 pm)Watson Wrote: haha I didn't say I knew for sure, I said you don't know for sure.
If you don't know for sure then how can you comment on whether i know for sure? For all you know i do know for sure 
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm
I am not aware of any human being on this planet currently who can say they are 'absolutely sure', can say that they 'know' for sure about anything.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:38 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 2:32 pm)Watson Wrote: I am not aware of any human being on this planet currently who can say they are 'absolutely sure', can say that they 'know' for sure about anything.
It's impossible to know something as an absolute, granted.
But you CAN come to a conclusion of reasonable certainty about things.
As for the topic in question, human nature, there is an entire field of scientific study on the topic. I believe it is called psychology...
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm
(May 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: We do not need a bible to tell us this. THAT is my point. Subjective morals are changeable and therefore weak. An absolute moral standard is fixed and therefore strong. You can't hope for justice from humans with a flawed moral perspective. Only God, who can know enough to make them, can make absolute morally just decisions.... which is why you need God in the equation. Otherwise there is no justice in your world.
(May 6, 2011 at 9:21 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: And yet, here's the problem: Why would God allow a place of eternal torment to exist? Because he is just. If he wasn't just, then there would be no need for consequences.
(May 7, 2011 at 2:32 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: this is basically the picture you just painted for everyone .... No CC that's the picture of your fabricated understanding.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 2:48 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 6, 2011 at 6:40 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: We do not need a bible to tell us this. THAT is my point. Subjective morals are changeable and therefore weak. An absolute moral standard is fixed and therefore strong. You can't hope for justice from humans with a flawed moral perspective. Only God, who can know enough to make them, can make absolute morally just decisions.... which is why you need God in the equation. Otherwise there is no justice in your world.
This is where i ask how you KNOW this, and you say, the bible told you, then i refute it. This argument is going to go round in circles so let's just agree to disagree.
And i don't believe that there has to be 'justice'. I see no reason for this whatsoever other than it satisfies your conscience by thinking that bad people will get punished after they die.
As far as i'm concerned they don't, yes it's sad, but thats just the way i think it is.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: This is where i ask how you KNOW this, and you say, the bible told you, then i refute it. No one is claiming to know anything. That was my point earlier.
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RE: I Love You Enough to Burn You
May 7, 2011 at 3:45 pm
(May 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: This is where i ask how you KNOW this, and you say, the bible told you, then i refute it. I know this because it logically follows. I'm not talking knowledge from results, but knowledge from logical process.
(May 7, 2011 at 2:56 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: And i don't believe that there has to be 'justice'. I see no reason for this whatsoever other than it satisfies your conscience by thinking that bad people will get punished after they die.
As far as i'm concerned they don't, yes it's sad, but thats just the way i think it is. This exactly proves the point above. Without a concept of purpose your life is sad and inhibited.
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